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Mohandas Gandhi controversy

2019-10-02 10:33:11

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NPR report narratived on Mohandas Gandhi with some newly-digged out facts, which shocked me:

1) Racist: promote white dominat black as Indians over Africans.

2) Slept with his 18-year-old niece naked to test his power

3) Martin Luther King, Jr. and his wife Carlotta slept in Ganhi bed room in 1959, getting inspiration for non-violent movement.

see more in ref. below. My POV: don't trust any humans as they are no saint, but sinner.

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A hero to the world, Gandhi is increasingly controversial in India

 
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Mohandas Gandhi gives a speech in 1931. As India celebrates his 150th birthday, his legacy is getting a second look. (James A. Mills/Associated Press)
By Joanna Slater
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October 2 at 11:49 AM

NEW DELHI — India is marking the 150th birthday of Mohandas Gandhi, the man known as the father of the nation, and across the country there are exhibits, commemorations, marches, prisoner releases and even a 1,000-foot-long greeting card.

But the celebrations this week mask a deeper unease. A century and a half after the birth of the revered leader of India’s independence struggle, Gandhi and his legacy are getting an update — and much of it is not positive.

Even as admiration for Gandhi remains widespread, aspects of his life and philosophy are increasingly a source of controversy. Scholars have highlighted the racist language he used as a young man living in South Africa as well as his defense of India’s caste system.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the political spectrum, India’s right-leaning Hindu nationalist ideologues have long had an ambivalent relationship with Gandhi. Some view his dedication to nonviolence as a form of weakness, or think he betrayed the cause of Hindus with his support for religious pluralism. Earlier this year, one politician from the ruling party even described the man who assassinated Gandhi as a “patriot.”

 

In many parts of the world, “Gandhi is seen broadly as a nice, decent, open-minded, reasonable guy who advocated nonviolence, justice, peace and so on,” said Ramachandra Guha, a historian and author of a two-volume biography of Gandhi. But in India, “his ideas and legacy have been deeply contested.”

Gandhi is often given the title “Mahatma,” or “great soul,” and many in India refer to him simply as “Bapu,” a word for father. He inspired leaders such as Nelson Mandela and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who wrote that Gandhi served as a “continual reminder” that “it is possible to resist evil and yet not resort to violence.” But in his long life in the public eye — his collected works comprise nearly 100 volumes — Gandhi delved not only into politics, but also economics, religion, sexuality, sanitation and even diet.


Mohandas Gandhi, center seated, is surrounded by workers in his law office in Johannesburg, South Africa, in 1902. (Associated Press)

One recent critique centers on Gandhi’s two decades in South Africa as a younger man. During that time, he repeatedly referred to black South Africans using a racial slur and described them as inferior to Indians, views that prompted a university in Ghana to remove a statue of Gandhi late last year.

 

A growing number of writers and scholars have also criticized Gandhi for his views on India’s caste system, saying he was a conservative who believed in preserving hereditary roles for different caste groups in Indian society rather than eradicating them.

Gandhi denounced the practice of treating certain people as “untouchable” or somehow polluting. Yet he also believed in having a “harmonious social order,” said Anand Teltumbde, one of India’s preeminent scholars on caste and the author of a recent manuscript on Gandhi. “The caste system provided that order,” Teltumbde said.

Other scholars say that Gandhi advocated a gradual reform of the system because he did not want to alienate the upper castes, which were crucial to the independence struggle.

On Wednesday, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi paid tribute to Gandhi at an event in Gujarat, the home state of both men. Gandhi was an advocate for better sanitation, and Modi is using his 150th birthday to celebrate the government’s “Clean India” campaign, which has constructed millions of toilets nationwide. Because of the program, India’s rural areas have essentially eradicated the practice of defecating outside, Modi said, although experts cast doubt on that claim.

 

Modi also praised Gandhi in an opinion piece published in the New York Times, saluting him for giving “courage to millions globally” and for envisioning “a world where every citizen has dignity and prosperity.” Modi challenged “thinkers, entrepreneurs and tech leaders” to find innovative ways to spread Gandhi’s ideas.


Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi pays his respects to Mohandas Gandhi at Parliament House in New Delhi on Oct. 2 to mark the 150th anniversary of Gandhi’s birth. (Money Sharma/AFP/Getty Images)

Modi’s emphasis on honoring Gandhi in association with the cleanliness campaign strikes some of those who knew him as a strategic choice. Although Gandhi did advocate improved sanitation, they say, it was not his central message.

“Those connected to the current Indian regime are using a fragment of Gandhi to destroy the core of Gandhi,” said his grandson Rajmohan Gandhi, a professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “The core of Gandhi is equality and especially minority rights.”

 

Modi “exalts Gandhi as a prophet of cleanliness and recycling,” added Guha, Gandhi’s biographer. “He never talks about what Gandhi lived and died for, which was Hindu-Muslim harmony.”

Gandhi was assassinated in January 1948 by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu extremist. Godse was a former member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a Hindu nationalist organization that is the ideological parent of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party. (Modi spent much of his life as a full-time RSS worker.)

In May, Pragya Thakur, days before she was elected to India’s parliament for the BJP, hailed Gandhi’s assassin Godse as a “patriot.” Modi said Thakur’s remarks were “condemnable” and she apologized, but the party ultimately took no action against her.

Some rue the fact that Gandhi is becoming irrelevant in today’s India. He has been reduced “to a ritualistic presence in our collective life,” Apoorvanand, a professor at Delhi University who goes by only one name, wrote this month. “He has been made a lifestyle guru, a feel-good presence — something he never was.” To embrace Gandhi would mean reviving “a politics of dissent . . . which sometimes requires going against one’s own people.”

 

When Gandhi was assassinated in New Delhi, his grandson Rajmohan was 12. Now Rajmohan is 84, older than Gandhi was when he died. Rajmohan said he took heart from a recent video of an Indian high school student reciting a poem praising Gandhi that went viral.

“There is a stubborn core of people who have understood him and know that Gandhi represents the better angels of the Indian nature,” said Rajmohan. Gandhi is “not finished in India — no, sir.”

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Joanna Slater Joanna Slater is the India bureau chief for The Washington Post. Prior to joining The Post, she was a foreign correspondent for the Globe & Mail in the United States and Europe and a reporter for the Wall Street J.
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前几天在NPR里面听到的,下巴都要掉下来。 印度民族英雄甘地在70多岁的时候, 为了证明自己可以禁欲,晚上就爱跟十几岁的裸女同床共枕。 NPR这么严肃的媒体,不由人不信。

今天专门找印度同事打听了一番, 据说这件事正在印度的媒体被激烈辩论, 倒不是辩论真假(真实性是无疑的)。 辩论的是领袖的私德。 本来还以为印度媒体会捂着这事, 没想到印度社会还是挺开明的。

近几年陆续读到的一些或文学大家, 或思想大家, 或政治领袖们, 都不是道德完人。 比如曹禺,傅雷,荣格, 他们都有婚外情。 当代的政治家们就更不用提了,就像筛子一样。

问题是, 作者的人品是否可以跟他的作品完全分开? 政治领袖们的私德是否可以跟他的政治理念完全分开? 我不知道答案。 有谁知道吗?

当然另一个收获是对周围的人们和对自己的要求都越来越低,得过且过。


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/766083651/gandhi-is-deeply-revered-but-his-attitudes-on-race-and-sex-are-under-scrutiny
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/01/gandhi-celibacy-test-naked-women

"Gandhi championed women in politics. But he was also obsessed with his own celibacy. In his late 70s, before he died at 78, he slept naked with his grandniece when she was in her late teens. He said he wanted to test his willpower to abstain from sex."







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? 这答案一定不止一个。。。就是信奉宗教的,对教义的理解和解说也各不相同呢。我觉得,有些私德无伤大雅,有些私德却至关重要。

不过,我认为无伤大雅的,别人可能认为至关重要。反之亦然。

人吧,总是会被人指指点点的,不在明处就在暗处。。一个闺蜜说过,如果人人都说我好,倒不正常了。。这点感悟,我特认同,也特佩服。
-桃子苹果- ♀ 给 桃子苹果 发送悄悄话 桃子苹果 的博客首页 桃子苹果 的个人群组 (422 bytes) (134 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 15:32:21

? 嗯,有道理 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:43:54

? 这私德咋讲啊? -OrangeBread- ♀ 给 OrangeBread 发送悄悄话 OrangeBread 的博客首页 OrangeBread 的个人群组 (97 bytes) (117 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 15:36:27

? 那女孩还是grandniece。。。 -dandinglity- ♀ 给 dandinglity 发送悄悄话 dandinglity 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (14 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 15:39:31

? 啊?怀疑这种考验不是德不德的问题,是政治需要和目的。 -OrangeBread- ♀ 给 OrangeBread 发送悄悄话 OrangeBread 的博客首页 OrangeBread 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (7 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 15:42:15

? 我都怀疑是他快老年痴呆,太不合常理 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:46:02

? 另一个卫报的链接有更详细的介绍,不仅侄孙女,还有20岁的女助手 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (24 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:44:55

? 加西亚 马尔克斯的一本小说‘苦妓回忆录’里的主人公,90岁的生日愿望 就是睡一个处女。晕但却像初恋一样爱上女孩子并无以自拔。这种需求的愿望好复杂啊,绝不仅是性。



甘地好虚伪,还为了证明自己的意志力,恐怕他自个早没了性能力了吧。



但很多非western culture, 一家人,裸体睡一屋,恐怕真的不是大事。严重怀疑印度差不多也这样吧!因为穷人那叫一个穷,所谓的家,也就一个遮挡风雨的棚子。雨季热天,整天光着我都不奇怪。
-alohamora- ♀ 给 alohamora 发送悄悄话 alohamora 的个人群组 (725 bytes) (523 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 15:52:38

? 呵呵呵……朱熹跟十几岁的小妾睡觉,禁欲,欲火中烧,就毒打小妾。明代这样的伪君子很多。 -祖母绿珠儿- ♀ 给 祖母绿珠儿 发送悄悄话 祖母绿珠儿 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (34 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:00:17

? 还有这事啊,哈哈 -dandinglity- ♀ 给 dandinglity 发送悄悄话 dandinglity 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (7 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:06:07

? 书里读来的,明朝朱熹创立理学,立了很多规矩,安徽那地界很多牌坊,都是那之后立起来的 -祖母绿珠儿- ♀ 给 祖母绿珠儿 发送悄悄话 祖母绿珠儿 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (13 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:10:41

? 我读过一长篇小说,讲一个寡妇如何被家族掌控者逼着守节,一定要让她得个牌坊,然后全家族可以被朝廷减免税额,还有很多其它好处。

理学很残酷,尤其是对待女人特别残酷。
-祖母绿珠儿- ♀ 给 祖母绿珠儿 发送悄悄话 祖母绿珠儿 的个人群组 (146 bytes) (492 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:15:56

? 也有说一些家族巴不得寡妇再嫁,他们好霸占那一房的财产。 寡妇为了保住财产就是要守节不再嫁。 -DoraDora2008- ♀ 给 DoraDora2008 发送悄悄话 DoraDora2008 的博客首页 DoraDora2008 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:26:24

? “为有源头活水来”—这样的千古名句也是朱熹写的 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (229 bytes) (203 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:54:30

? 程朱理学最糟粕 -sansemao- ♀ 给 sansemao 发送悄悄话 sansemao 的博客首页 sansemao 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (8 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:41:31

? 的确 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (4 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:54:58

? 唐宋时期民风很开放,文化艺术很发达,明朝出了朱熹,完全改变了中华传统 -祖母绿珠儿- ♀ 给 祖母绿珠儿 发送悄悄话 祖母绿珠儿 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (13 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:11:56

? 才看到一篇文字 -桃子苹果- ♀ 给 桃子苹果 发送悄悄话 桃子苹果 的博客首页 桃子苹果 的个人群组 (227 bytes) (254 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:46:57

? 阅读面挺杂的嘛。我也对中国历史不够了解,只知道几个点。 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (7 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:49:56

? 就是看不下去呀。。 -桃子苹果- ♀ 给 桃子苹果 发送悄悄话 桃子苹果 的博客首页 桃子苹果 的个人群组 (165 bytes) (23 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:57:57

? 我也差不多,一点不爱看宫斗。没逻辑没意思。总的说来,我也更偏爱西方作者的书 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 17:07:13

? 宫斗剧是现代人瞎编的吧 -DoraDora2008- ♀ 给 DoraDora2008 发送悄悄话 DoraDora2008 的博客首页 DoraDora2008 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 17:09:57

? 应该是 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:18:00

? 我喜欢 -桃子苹果- ♀ 给 桃子苹果 发送悄悄话 桃子苹果 的博客首页 桃子苹果 的个人群组 (556 bytes) (42 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 17:24:00

? 我还发现有些心理学家写的书也很有趣, 有的风格严谨学术, 有的则妙趣横. 读了让人或深思, 或莞尔 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:16:55

? 明朝对应着欧洲的文艺复兴,是个转折点。东方由盛转衰,西方反之 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:51:29

? 对了,文章 -桃子苹果- ♀ 给 桃子苹果 发送悄悄话 桃子苹果 的博客首页 桃子苹果 的个人群组 (149 bytes) (32 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:55:15

? 读历史很有意思,尤其是横向比,纵向比。 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:58:22

? 横向比,我还不行,历史知识太少。 -桃子苹果- ♀ 给 桃子苹果 发送悄悄话 桃子苹果 的博客首页 桃子苹果 的个人群组 (146 bytes) (9 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 18:45:06

? "读得越多,越有趣" -- 明白, 有的时候可以触类旁通, 连点成面 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:15:00

? 他70多岁的时候,差不多是国父的地位,应该不是没屋子。那个女助手跟他又不是一家人 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (56 bytes) (147 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:48:15

? 那时的印度社会风俗是什么样? -桃子苹果- ♀ 给 桃子苹果 发送悄悄话 桃子苹果 的博客首页 桃子苹果 的个人群组 (44 bytes) (67 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 17:00:29

? 应该非常男权,但他当时这样做,还是有人辞职,就是抗议他这么做 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (9 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 17:09:28

? 人类社会中很多大才子, 都是不专一的。当然普通人中不专一的也很多。 例如,大才子罗素 -DoraDora2008- ♀ 给 DoraDora2008 发送悄悄话 DoraDora2008 的博客首页 DoraDora2008 的个人群组 (1018 bytes) (176 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:24:30

? 有些大才子好歹心口相符,反正也不要婚姻的束缚。还有不少心口不一的伪道学 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 16:57:19

? 政治人物大多也是流氓 -world1peace- ♂ 给 world1peace 发送悄悄话 world1peace 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (6 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 17:16:00

? 太恶心了!黑他吧? -喝杯咖啡吧- ♀ 给 喝杯咖啡吧 发送悄悄话 喝杯咖啡吧 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 19:16:00

? 没...很早以前有记载,只是大家没有去注意,需要的时候拉出来吓唬一下纯洁的大众。。。 -zhuangqiushui- ♀ 给 zhuangqiushui 发送悄悄话 zhuangqiushui 的博客首页 zhuangqiushui 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 19:59:09

? 好,美国人开始对印度产生兴趣了吗? -zhuangqiushui- ♀ 给 zhuangqiushui 发送悄悄话 zhuangqiushui 的博客首页 zhuangqiushui 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 19:54:07

? 好像是甘地诞辰150周年, 美国有些媒体上有报道 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:18:44

? 人性很复杂,大人物更是不按常理出牌,例子太多了 -hibiskus- ♀ 给 hibiskus 发送悄悄话 hibiskus 的博客首页 hibiskus 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 10/09/2019 postreply 20:12:15

? 的确 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:19:06

? 还跟他自己的侄孙女裸睡洗澡,和他在一起的几个助手实在受不了,离开了他,写信给他,希望他停止这种行为, -Slumber- ♀ 给 Slumber 发送悄悄话 Slumber 的博客首页 Slumber 的个人群组 (203 bytes) (111 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 01:14:13

? 是挺不可思议的 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:19:37

? 早就知道。地球上所谓这样的知名领导人里,这样的双面人生太多了,我认为占大多数。psychopath or sociopath -笨企鹅- ♀ 给 笨企鹅 发送悄悄话 笨企鹅 的博客首页 笨企鹅 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 04:25:33

? 是呀 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:19:57

? 他自己裸睡,不是少女裸体,少女也许裹得严严实实跟粽子一样。 -巴哈马妈妈- ♀ 给 巴哈马妈妈 发送悄悄话 巴哈马妈妈 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 06:09:56

? 就是这样也很令人不齿,老妖怪。 -巴哈马妈妈- ♀ 给 巴哈马妈妈 发送悄悄话 巴哈马妈妈 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 06:30:18

? 你没看原帖里的两个链接吧? 英国媒体那篇说了, 是少女裸体 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:20:37
就是睡一个处女。晕但却像初恋一样爱上女孩子并无以自拔。这种需求的愿望好复杂啊,绝不仅是性。



甘地好虚伪,还为了证明自己的意志力,恐怕他自个早没了性能力了吧。



但很多非western culture, 一家人,裸体睡一屋,恐怕真的不是大事。严重怀疑印度差不多也这样吧!因为穷人那叫一个穷,所谓的家,也就一个遮挡风雨的棚子。雨季热天,整天光着我都不奇怪。
? 他自己裸睡,不是少女裸体,少女也许裹得严严实实跟粽子一样。 -巴哈马妈妈- ♀ 给 巴哈马妈妈 发送悄悄话 巴哈马妈妈 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 06:09:56

? 就是这样也很令人不齿,老妖怪。 -巴哈马妈妈- ♀ 给 巴哈马妈妈 发送悄悄话 巴哈马妈妈 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 06:30:18

? 你没看原帖里的两个链接吧? 英国媒体那篇说了, 是少女裸体 -糯米粥- ♀ 给 糯米粥 发送悄悄话 糯米粥 的博客首页 糯米粥 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:20:37

? Winston Churchill naked in front of FDR. Benjamin Franklin naked -TJKCB- ♀ 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 TJKCB 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/10/2019 postreply 09:37:50

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Mohandas Gandhi controversy

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NPR report narratived on Mohandas Gandhi with some newly-digged out facts, which shocked me:

1) Racist: promote white dominat black as Indians over Africans.

2) Slept with his 18-year-old niece naked to test his power

3) Martin Luther King, Jr. and his wife Carlotta slept in Ganhi bed room in 1959, getting inspiration for non-violent movement.

see more in ref. below. My POV: don't trust any humans as they are no saint, but sinner.

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A hero to the world, Gandhi is increasingly controversial in India

 
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Mohandas Gandhi gives a speech in 1931. As India celebrates his 150th birthday, his legacy is getting a second look. (James A. Mills/Associated Press)
By Joanna Slater
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October 2 at 11:49 AM

NEW DELHI — India is marking the 150th birthday of Mohandas Gandhi, the man known as the father of the nation, and across the country there are exhibits, commemorations, marches, prisoner releases and even a 1,000-foot-long greeting card.

But the celebrations this week mask a deeper unease. A century and a half after the birth of the revered leader of India’s independence struggle, Gandhi and his legacy are getting an update — and much of it is not positive.

Even as admiration for Gandhi remains widespread, aspects of his life and philosophy are increasingly a source of controversy. Scholars have highlighted the racist language he used as a young man living in South Africa as well as his defense of India’s caste system.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the political spectrum, India’s right-leaning Hindu nationalist ideologues have long had an ambivalent relationship with Gandhi. Some view his dedication to nonviolence as a form of weakness, or think he betrayed the cause of Hindus with his support for religious pluralism. Earlier this year, one politician from the ruling party even described the man who assassinated Gandhi as a “patriot.”

 

In many parts of the world, “Gandhi is seen broadly as a nice, decent, open-minded, reasonable guy who advocated nonviolence, justice, peace and so on,” said Ramachandra Guha, a historian and author of a two-volume biography of Gandhi. But in India, “his ideas and legacy have been deeply contested.”

Gandhi is often given the title “Mahatma,” or “great soul,” and many in India refer to him simply as “Bapu,” a word for father. He inspired leaders such as Nelson Mandela and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who wrote that Gandhi served as a “continual reminder” that “it is possible to resist evil and yet not resort to violence.” But in his long life in the public eye — his collected works comprise nearly 100 volumes — Gandhi delved not only into politics, but also economics, religion, sexuality, sanitation and even diet.


Mohandas Gandhi, center seated, is surrounded by workers in his law office in Johannesburg, South Africa, in 1902. (Associated Press)

One recent critique centers on Gandhi’s two decades in South Africa as a younger man. During that time, he repeatedly referred to black South Africans using a racial slur and described them as inferior to Indians, views that prompted a university in Ghana to remove a statue of Gandhi late last year.

 

A growing number of writers and scholars have also criticized Gandhi for his views on India’s caste system, saying he was a conservative who believed in preserving hereditary roles for different caste groups in Indian society rather than eradicating them.

Gandhi denounced the practice of treating certain people as “untouchable” or somehow polluting. Yet he also believed in having a “harmonious social order,” said Anand Teltumbde, one of India’s preeminent scholars on caste and the author of a recent manuscript on Gandhi. “The caste system provided that order,” Teltumbde said.

Other scholars say that Gandhi advocated a gradual reform of the system because he did not want to alienate the upper castes, which were crucial to the independence struggle.

On Wednesday, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi paid tribute to Gandhi at an event in Gujarat, the home state of both men. Gandhi was an advocate for better sanitation, and Modi is using his 150th birthday to celebrate the government’s “Clean India” campaign, which has constructed millions of toilets nationwide. Because of the program, India’s rural areas have essentially eradicated the practice of defecating outside, Modi said, although experts cast doubt on that claim.

 

Modi also praised Gandhi in an opinion piece published in the New York Times, saluting him for giving “courage to millions globally” and for envisioning “a world where every citizen has dignity and prosperity.” Modi challenged “thinkers, entrepreneurs and tech leaders” to find innovative ways to spread Gandhi’s ideas.


Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi pays his respects to Mohandas Gandhi at Parliament House in New Delhi on Oct. 2 to mark the 150th anniversary of Gandhi’s birth. (Money Sharma/AFP/Getty Images)

Modi’s emphasis on honoring Gandhi in association with the cleanliness campaign strikes some of those who knew him as a strategic choice. Although Gandhi did advocate improved sanitation, they say, it was not his central message.

“Those connected to the current Indian regime are using a fragment of Gandhi to destroy the core of Gandhi,” said his grandson Rajmohan Gandhi, a professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “The core of Gandhi is equality and especially minority rights.”

 

Modi “exalts Gandhi as a prophet of cleanliness and recycling,” added Guha, Gandhi’s biographer. “He never talks about what Gandhi lived and died for, which was Hindu-Muslim harmony.”

Gandhi was assassinated in January 1948 by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu extremist. Godse was a former member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a Hindu nationalist organization that is the ideological parent of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party. (Modi spent much of his life as a full-time RSS worker.)

In May, Pragya Thakur, days before she was elected to India’s parliament for the BJP, hailed Gandhi’s assassin Godse as a “patriot.” Modi said Thakur’s remarks were “condemnable” and she apologized, but the party ultimately took no action against her.

Some rue the fact that Gandhi is becoming irrelevant in today’s India. He has been reduced “to a ritualistic presence in our collective life,” Apoorvanand, a professor at Delhi University who goes by only one name, wrote this month. “He has been made a lifestyle guru, a feel-good presence — something he never was.” To embrace Gandhi would mean reviving “a politics of dissent . . . which sometimes requires going against one’s own people.”

 

When Gandhi was assassinated in New Delhi, his grandson Rajmohan was 12. Now Rajmohan is 84, older than Gandhi was when he died. Rajmohan said he took heart from a recent video of an Indian high school student reciting a poem praising Gandhi that went viral.

“There is a stubborn core of people who have understood him and know that Gandhi represents the better angels of the Indian nature,” said Rajmohan. Gandhi is “not finished in India — no, sir.”

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Joanna Slater Joanna Slater is the India bureau chief for The Washington Post. Prior to joining The Post, she was a foreign correspondent for the Globe & Mail in the United States and Europe and a reporter for the Wall Street J.