https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2025/05/23/charlie-kirk-at-oxford-union/
玛雅·普拉卡什 2025年5月23日
美国保守派媒体名人、“美国转折点”（Turning Point USA）创始人查理·柯克于5月20日在牛津学生会发表演讲。
“美国转折点”是一个在高中和大学倡导保守主义的非营利性组织，也是美国发展最快的青年组织之一，拥有超过25万名学生会员。柯克通过访问大学校园，经常发布与学生激烈交流的视频片段，在互联网上人气飙升。作为“学生支持特朗普”（Students for Trump）组织的主席，柯克动员年轻人参与唐纳德·特朗普2024年的总统竞选，目前主持一个名为“查理·柯克秀”（The Charlie Kirk Show）的政治播客。
工会主席安妮塔·奥肯德（Anita Okunde）采访了柯克。她首先询问了他对出生公民权的看法。出生公民权是美国宪法第十四修正案赋予的，目前正受到特朗普政府的挑战。柯克表达了对出生公民权的反对，他说道：“目前在美国，你可以怀孕九个月从中国北京飞到旧金山，去医院检查，你的孩子就是正式的美国公民。”
柯克表示，最高法院“尚未……裁定非法移民或非美国人是否[可以获得]他们的孩子……出生公民权。”由于出生公民权是所有在美国领土上出生的儿童的宪法权利，因此撤销该权利需要美国国会两院三分之二多数票，以及四分之三的州立法机构批准。
奥肯德随后询问了特朗普政府“对南非白人的包容”以及他们基于种族歧视提出的庇护申请。柯克引用了一段视频，视频中“数英里外的南非白人农民在家中被残忍杀害，主要原因是所谓的土地赔偿”。
官方警方数据显示，2024年10月至12月期间，有12人在农场被杀害。柯克继续表示，南非政府正在支持“最恶劣、最恶毒的仇恨形式”。奥肯德举例询问，遭受迫害的尼日利亚基督徒是否有资格获得庇护。柯克回答说：“这要视具体情况而定……我们是一个非常慷慨的国家。我们愿意审查所有相关案件。”
奥肯德随后询问柯克对堕胎的看法。柯克表示，他认为所有情况下都应该禁止堕胎，除非是威胁母亲生命的堕胎，包括性侵犯和强奸。 “我做了两次超声波检查。一次是强奸怀上的婴儿，另一次是一段充满爱意的婚姻。我们知道是哪一次吗？他们都是人，”柯克说。
“婴儿和女人在道德上有什么区别？”他补充道。当被问及堕胎禁令对生育率的影响时，他说：“在英国和美国，如果我们不杀死自己的孩子，就不需要那么多第三世界移民。”
当被问及他对男权运动的看法时，他说：“西方的男人们，作为男人，我们活着是为了保护者、捍卫者和供养者。我们应该给予女性完全的尊严和尊重。” 在观众的掌声中，他补充道：“如果你想尊重女性，就不要在Tinder和你能找到的所有应用程序上进行大量的勾搭性行为。”
当他说“我们这个社会有很多性，但缺乏爱”时，观众再次鼓掌。他探讨了他对西方男性“幼稚化”现象的看法，以及年轻男性需要面对挑战，并谴责学校对女权主义的“过度关注”。
柯克随后讨论了他对“DEI”（他称之为“Didn’t Earn It”（并非挣得））的看法，并重申了他对言论自由的支持，他称言论自由是英国赋予美国的“与生俱来的权利”。他还谈到了他对关税的看法，反对美国依赖中国制造业，并指出：“中共是地球上许多不同事物的最大威胁。”
当被问及他对保守主义的看法以及它应该代表什么时，他说道：“我们反对那些‘觉醒’的东西。我们反对大规模移民。我们反对将这些阴险的价值观输入到我们的国家，输入到西方。我们代表什么？[…] 我们希望生育率逆转。我们希望看到教堂出席人数上升。我们希望看到我们国家的自杀率发生180度的转变。”
他还谈到了他对美国系??统性种族主义的看法，指出美国警察对黑人的暴力行为是由于黑人自身“犯罪率过高”，并且“每年美国只有大约12名手无寸铁的黑人被枪杀”。数据显示，警察杀害黑人的比例是白人警察的两倍多，与总人口的比例成正比。
演讲的第二部分是问答环节，学生们在问答环节中提出了一些问题。
走到柯克对面的讲台上，提出问题。话题包括“有害的男子气概”、堕胎、柯克对辩论和公开讨论的看法、唐纳德·特朗普是否体现了基督教价值观，以及南非对白人布尔人的迫害。
这位牛津学生在演讲结束后与听众进行了交谈。一位在埃克塞特学院访问的美国学生表示，他觉得这次演讲“令人不安……我绝对是个自由主义倾向的人……但如果我在那里，我肯定无法反驳他提出的一些道德问题。”
他还补充说，柯克会问学生“是或否的问题，这是一种非常简化的方法”。另一位听众说：“很多人会同意他们不同意他的观点，但他的演讲技巧令人印象深刻。”一位美国研究生评论道：“英国人不太吵闹……人们应该更有力地支持他！”
Oxford Union hosts right-wing activist Charlie Kirk
https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2025/05/23/charlie-kirk-at-oxford-union/
Maya Prakash May 23 2025
Charlie Kirk, an American conservative media personality and founder of Turning Point USA, spoke at the Oxford Union on 20th May.
Turning Point USA – a nonprofit advocacy group for conservatism in high schools and universities – is one of the fastest-growing youth organizations in the US, with over 250,000 student members. Kirk has gained internet popularity through his visits to college campuses, where he often posts clips of his heated exchanges with students. As President of Students for Trump, Kirk mobilized youth turnout for Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential campaign and now hosts a political podcast called The Charlie Kirk Show.
Union President Anita Okunde interviewed Kirk. She began by asking him about his views on birthright citizenship, enshrined in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and currently being challenged by the Trump administration. Kirk expressed opposition to birthright citizenship, stating:
Okunde then inquired about the Trump administration’s “embrace of white South Africans” and their asylum claims on the basis of racial discrimination. Kirk cited videos of “miles of white South African farmers that have been brutally murdered in their home, basically because of what is called land reparations”.
Official police data shows 12 people were killed on farms between October and December 2024. Kirk continued, stating that South Africa’s government is endorsing the “worst and most venomous form of hatred”. Okunde asked whether, as an example, Nigerian Christians facing persecution would be eligible for asylum. Kirk responded: “It’s a case by case basis…we’re a very generous country. We’re willing to look at all the cases associated”.
Okunde then asked Kirk about his views on abortion. Kirk stated that he believes abortion should be banned in all cases except those threatening the life of the mother – including sexual assault and rape. “I have two ultrasounds. One of the ultrasound is a baby that is conceived in rape. The other one is a loving marriage. Do we know which ones? They’re both human beings,” Kirk said.
The audience further applauded when he said, “We have a lot of sex in this society and not enough love in this society.” He discussed his views on the “infantilization” of men in the West and the need for young men to face challenges, decrying the “hyperfixation” on feminism in schools.
Kirk then discussed his views on DEI, which he said stood for “Didn’t Earn It”, and reiterated his support for freedom of speech, which he termed a “birthright” given to the U.S. by the U.K.. He also discussed his views on tariffs, arguing against American dependency on Chinese manufacturing and stating: “CCP is the greatest threat to many different things on the planet.”
When asked about his vision for conservatism and what it should stand for, he stated: “We oppose the woke stuff. We oppose mass migration. We oppose the importation of these insidious values into our country, into the West. What do we stand for? […] We want to have the fertility rates reverse. We want to see church attendance go up. We want to see suicide rates take a 180 degree pivot in our country.”
He also touched on his views on systemic racism in the U.S., stating that police violence against Black people in the U.S. is a result of a “disproportionate crime problem” on part of Black people, and that “only about 12 unarmed black people in America are shot [every year]”. Data shows that police forces kill black people at more than twice the rate of their white counterparts, proportionate to the population.
The second portion of the talk featured a Q&A session, where individual students approached the podium opposite Kirk to pose their questions. Topics included toxic masculinity, abortion, Kirk’s views on debate and open discussion, whether Donald Trump embodied Christian values, and the persecution of white Boers in South Africa.
The Oxford Student spoke with members of the audience following the talk. A visiting American student at Exeter College remarked that he found the talk “unsettling…I’m definitely someone who is liberal-leaning…but if I was up there I wouldn’t have been able to defend myself against some of the moral questions he asked.”
“Currently in America, you can fly from Beijing, China, nine months pregnant, land in San Francisco, go to a hospital and your baby is a full US citizen.”Kirk stated that the Supreme Court “has not yet…adjudicated whether or not illegal immigrants or non-Americans [can get] their children…birthright citizenship.” As birthright citizenship is a constitutional right for all children born on American soil, revoking it would require a two-thirds majority in both chambers of the US Congress, and ratification by three-quarters of all state legislatures.
Okunde then inquired about the Trump administration’s “embrace of white South Africans” and their asylum claims on the basis of racial discrimination. Kirk cited videos of “miles of white South African farmers that have been brutally murdered in their home, basically because of what is called land reparations”.
Official police data shows 12 people were killed on farms between October and December 2024. Kirk continued, stating that South Africa’s government is endorsing the “worst and most venomous form of hatred”. Okunde asked whether, as an example, Nigerian Christians facing persecution would be eligible for asylum. Kirk responded: “It’s a case by case basis…we’re a very generous country. We’re willing to look at all the cases associated”.
Okunde then asked Kirk about his views on abortion. Kirk stated that he believes abortion should be banned in all cases except those threatening the life of the mother – including sexual assault and rape. “I have two ultrasounds. One of the ultrasound is a baby that is conceived in rape. The other one is a loving marriage. Do we know which ones? They’re both human beings,” Kirk said.
“What is the moral difference between the baby and the woman?” he added. When asked about the effects of abortion bans on birth rates, he said: “In the UK and America, we wouldn’t need as many third-world immigrants if we didn’t kill our babies.”When asked about his views on the men’s rights movement, he said “Men in the West, we as men are here to be protectors and defenders and providers. We should treat women with total dignity and respect.” To audience applause, he added that “if you want to dignify women, don’t have a bunch of hookup sex on Tinder and every app you get your hands on”.
The audience further applauded when he said, “We have a lot of sex in this society and not enough love in this society.” He discussed his views on the “infantilization” of men in the West and the need for young men to face challenges, decrying the “hyperfixation” on feminism in schools.
Kirk then discussed his views on DEI, which he said stood for “Didn’t Earn It”, and reiterated his support for freedom of speech, which he termed a “birthright” given to the U.S. by the U.K.. He also discussed his views on tariffs, arguing against American dependency on Chinese manufacturing and stating: “CCP is the greatest threat to many different things on the planet.”
When asked about his vision for conservatism and what it should stand for, he stated: “We oppose the woke stuff. We oppose mass migration. We oppose the importation of these insidious values into our country, into the West. What do we stand for? […] We want to have the fertility rates reverse. We want to see church attendance go up. We want to see suicide rates take a 180 degree pivot in our country.”
He also touched on his views on systemic racism in the U.S., stating that police violence against Black people in the U.S. is a result of a “disproportionate crime problem” on part of Black people, and that “only about 12 unarmed black people in America are shot [every year]”. Data shows that police forces kill black people at more than twice the rate of their white counterparts, proportionate to the population.
The second portion of the talk featured a Q&A session, where individual students approached the podium opposite Kirk to pose their questions. Topics included toxic masculinity, abortion, Kirk’s views on debate and open discussion, whether Donald Trump embodied Christian values, and the persecution of white Boers in South Africa.
The Oxford Student spoke with members of the audience following the talk. A visiting American student at Exeter College remarked that he found the talk “unsettling…I’m definitely someone who is liberal-leaning…but if I was up there I wouldn’t have been able to defend myself against some of the moral questions he asked.”
He added that Kirk would ask students “yes or no questions, which was a very reductionist approach”. Another audience member said: “A lot of people would agree that they would disagree with what he said but were impressed with his oratorical skill.” An American graduate student remarked: “The English don’t get rowdy…people should have been more forceful in how they supported him!”
