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you we've been friends for 16 years um

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and I promised you I'd be here and

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that's why I'm here well I appreciate

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you being here for any other reason but

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let me ask you this this then let's go

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go at it just tell me what happened you

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you you write this tweet that says that

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this is the actual truth people read

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that tweet yes and they say Elon Musk is

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an anti-semite that he he he he is he is

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riing up this base you're hearing it

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from uh as I said the White House you're

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hearing it from Jewish groups all over

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um I think Jonathan greenl from the ADL

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is here um there's there's lots of

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people who say this and by the way it's

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not just that did you read the whole

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thing I did and that's why I want to ask

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you responses excuse me I said more more

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responses yeah I said more I said more

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than what you just WR yes no there was

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ABS there was absolutely more yes um but

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I'll tell you the thing that struck me

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it wasn't um and I'm an American Jew um

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it wasn't just the people who who had

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the that view it was actually people who

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ha who really are anti-semites who said

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oh my

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goodness go go Elon this is

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fabulous and that actually was the thing

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that really uh really set me back and I

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said to myself what's going on here and

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I want to know how you felt about that

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in that moment when you when you saw all

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of this

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happening yeah um well first of all I I

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did clarify uh almost immediately uh

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what I meant I would say that that was

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um you know if I could go and say I

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should in retrospect um not have replied

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to that particular person um and I

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should have uh written in Greater length

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as to what I meant um I did subsequently

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clarify it in replies uh but those

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clarifications were ignored by the media

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um and essentially I handed a loaded gun

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to those who hate me um and arguably to

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those who are antisemitic uh to for that

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I'm quite sorry that that is not that

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was not my intention um so I I did you

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know uh post on my primary timeline to

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be absolutely clear that I'm not

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anti-semitic um and that I in fact if

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anything am

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philosemitic um and the trip to Israel

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was planned before any of that happened

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uh it was neither here nor there do you

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see see this thing do you know what it

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is I do because I actually followed your

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entire trip to Israel right why don't

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you tell

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everybody this is this

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says says bring them

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home the

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hostages it was given to me by the

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parents of of one of the

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hostages and I said I would wear it as

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long as there was a hostage store

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remaining and I

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have um what was that trip like and

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obviously you know that there's a public

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perception that and and you're

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clarifying this now

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um but there's a public perception that

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that was part of a apology tour if you

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will that this had been said online

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there was all of the criticism there was

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advertisers leaving we talked to Bob

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Iger today stop you hope don't advertise

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you don't want them to advertise no what

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do you

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mean if somebody's going to try to

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Blackmail me with advertising black m

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with money go

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yourself

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but go

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yourself is that

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clear I hope it is hey Bob here in the

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audience well well let me ask you

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then that's how I feel don't

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advertise how do you think then about

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the economics of of x if if if if part

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of the underlying model at least today

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and maybe it needs to shift maybe the

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answer is it needs to shift away from

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advertising um if if you believe that

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this is the one part of your business

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where you will be beholden to those who

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uh have this

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view what do you do

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FY I I I understand that but there's a

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reality

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too

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right yes no no Linda Yaro is right here

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and she's got to sell advertising

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absolutely so um no no to totally so so

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what no actually what what does

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advertising boycott is uh is is going to

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do it's going to kill the

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company and do you think that the I but

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and the whole world will know that those

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advertisers killed the company and we

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will document it in great

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detail but there those advertisers I

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imagine are going to say they're going

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to say we didn't kill the company oh

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yeah they're going to say tell to tell

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to Earth but they're going to say that

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they're going to say Elon that you

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killed the company because you said

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these things and that they were

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inappropriate things

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and they didn't feel comfortable on the

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platform right that's that's what

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they're going to say and let's see how

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Earth responds to

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that so let me okay this then this goes

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back to we we'll both make our cases

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right and we'll see what the outcome is

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what are the economics of that for you I

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mean you you have enormous resources so

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you can actually keep this company going

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for a very long time would you keep it

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going for a long time if there was no

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advertising I mean if the company fails

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because of an ad advertis boycott it

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will fail because of an boycott and that

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will be what bankrupted the company and

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that's what all everybody on Earth will

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know what do you think then of the

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against goes back to the idea of trust

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though then it'll be gone and it'll be

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gone because of an advertised

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boycott but but you recognize that some

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of those people are going to say that

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they didn't feel comfortable on the

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platform and I I wonder I just wonder

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and ask you and think about that for a

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second tell it to the judge but the but

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the judge is going to be the judge is

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the

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public and you think that the public

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public is going to say that that Disney

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is making a

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mistake yes and they're going to boycott

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Disney they already are well there there

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are some that are for for for lots of

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different reasons but you think that

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this is going to that you have the this

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goes to actually the interesting of P of

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of power and leverage let the chips fall

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where they

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may let the chips fall where they may

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can I ask what why that is the approach

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and I ask it because you've been

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approach well you've been very

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particular about the I mean the approach

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to Tesla uh when you think about the

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engineering involved in that the

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approach to SpaceX the approach to um

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some of the stuff you're doing with with

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AI has been very specific right there's

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not a let let the chips fall where they

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may approach to those businesses I don't

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think no we focus on making the best

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products and and and Tesla is gotten to

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where it's gotten with no advertising at

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all I understand that Tesla currently

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sells two twice as much uh in terms of

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electric vehicles as the rest of

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electric car makers in United States

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combined Tesla has done more just help

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the environment than uh all other

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companies

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combined would be fair to say that

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therefore as a leader of the company

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I've done more for the environment than

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everyone any single human on earth how

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do you feel about

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that how do feel about that yeah no I'm

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I'm asking you personally how you feel

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about that because this goes we were

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talking about power and influence and

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I'm saying I'm saying what what I care

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about is the the reality of goodness not

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the perception of it and what I see all

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over the place is people who care about

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looking good while doing evil

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them

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okay let me ask you this because I think

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part of this by the way there's some

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people who said look owning X to begin

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with has just created problems that

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you've created so many amazing things

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that are changing our world and and and

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I know you want to uh make X this

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fabulous Town Square fre Free Speech

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platform but that unto itself that that

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has created such a distraction of all of

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these things this is the conversation

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we're having we're not focus or not

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talking at least yet and we will on

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Tesla you have your cybertruck uh

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deliveries tomorrow and everything else

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that you're doing but there it would be

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the biggest product launch of anything

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by far on Earth this year is is there

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any part of you though that just says

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you know what I just shouldn't have done

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this or maybe I should sell it or give

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it away or do something else w w with

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the with the X piece of it yeah given GI

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given the propensity for some of the

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things that you do and say on that

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platform to create these these

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issues

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yeah of all the posts I've done on the

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platform I think there might

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be 30,000 or something like that right

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once in a

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while I will say something

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foolish and I have and I would certainly

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put that comment um that youve said the

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actual truth uh among perhaps one of the

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most foolish if not the most foolish

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thing I've ever done on the

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platform um and I did do my best to

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clarify uh afterwards that uh you know I

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I certainly do not mean anything

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anti-semitic in that um the the nature

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of the criticism was simply that um the

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Jewish people have been persecuted for

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thousands of years there is a natural

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Affinity therefore uh for persecuted

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groups um this has led to the funding of

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organizations that

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uh essentially promote any persecuted

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group or any group with the perception

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of persecution this includes radical

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Islamic

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groups everyone here has seen the the

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massive demonstrations mhm for Hamas in

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every major city in the

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west that should be

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jarring

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well a number of those

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organizations received funding from

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prominent people in the Jewish Community

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they didn't expect that to happen it it

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but but if you

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generically without

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condition sort of fund if you if you

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fund persecuted groups in

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general some of those persecuted groups

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unfortunately want your

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Annihilation and what I what I meant by

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that when I subsequently clarify it is

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is that it's unwise to to to find

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organizations that support groups that

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want your

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Annihilation is this coming across

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clearly my my question to you though is

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I think logically this is makes a lot of

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sense is there any part of you I me just

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tell me what happens though when once

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all this happens let's say you found a

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group and that group supports a mass who

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wants you to die perhaps you should not

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find them

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right but you but you

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do thank

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you you you do appreciate that when you

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wait into these very delicate Waters at

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these very delicate times yes that it

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can create a real I mean as it created

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headlines for for the past two weeks and

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and economic

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impact what what I'm just so curious

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what H in your brain when you see all

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this happening are you sitting there

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going oh my God I stepped in it I wish I

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didn't do that are you saying screw them

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I hate these people why are they after

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me but all of

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that yeah all of that I

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mean I mean look I I'm sorry for that

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that that tweet or post it was foolish

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of me of the 30,000 it might be

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literally the worst and dumbest to post

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that I've ever done um and I try to my

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best to clarify six racis Sunday um but

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you know at least uh I think over time

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it will be obvious that in fact far from

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being uh anti-semitic I'm in fact

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philosemitic um and my all the evidence

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uh in my track record would support that

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let me ask you this though there are

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people who say crazy things on on X as

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you know um maybe you think they're

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crazy maybe they're not

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the the the the the aspiration for X is

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to be the global Town Square now if you

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were to walk down to let's say Time

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Square right

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um do you occasionally hear people

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saying crazy things yes but they're not

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but they don't have the megaphone right

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and that's that's the conundrum they can

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only say it to the 50 or 100 people that

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are that are sitting standing there in

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Time Square they don't have a mega I

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mean look the joke I used to make about

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old Twitter was it was like giving

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everyone in the psy a me phone um so uh

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you know I'm I'm I'm aware that things

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can get promoted uh that are negative

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beyond the sort of Circle of of somebody

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simply screaming crazy things in Time

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Square which happens all the

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time um you know so so

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the it's it's actually it's it's pretty

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rare for something um frankly that is uh

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hateful to be promoted it's not it's not

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it's not that it never happens um but

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it's it's fairly rare um I mean I would

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encourage people to look at for those

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that use the system when you look at the

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the sort of the feed that you receive

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how how often is it is it hateful and

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over time has it gotten more or less

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hateful and I would say that if you look

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at uh the X platform today versus a year

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ago I think it is actually much better I

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mean what is your personal experience

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are you surprised I'm just curious you

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use this I use the platform uh

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religiously I I to being an addict and I

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use the for you and I will I will say

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now the the problem is because I'm a

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journalist I go looking for stuff well

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that's I'm just saying and and and

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because I and and I I also think the

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algorithm for me personally because I'm

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looking for stuff also is feeding me

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other things well this this this is

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actually a challenge in that like

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sometimes people will say like why is it

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showing me

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uh you know posts from this person that

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I hate and then we were like well did

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you interact a lot with this person that

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you hate well yes well therefore thinks

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that you want to interact more with this

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person that you hate that's like a

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reasonable let me ask you know you kind

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of want to have an argument when you

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tweet yeah do you ever or post let's say

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post when you post listen I'm open if

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anyone can come up with a better word uh

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that would be great when you post though

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but uh the least bad word I can think of

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is post it's when you post though do you

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are you trying to rile up either a base

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or an audience do you do you do you

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recognize the power you have in that and

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and also by the way not just rile up

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rile up one version of side of it but

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also rile down which is to say as I said

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there are people who are demonstrably

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anti-semitic on on the site who I I get

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Jew boy things and all sorts of things

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that come my way hey for a while they

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thought I was Dosh so they would you

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know I'd get it too but but no but the

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question is is super do you ever think

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to yourself you know what I'm going to

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go online and I'm going to say these

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people I condemn these people that are

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on my site saying these things because I

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have said I have you say I've condemned

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and but do you ever go yeah I said I I

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literally I literally posted I condemn

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anti-Semitism in all its forms like that

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is a literal I believe literal post that

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I made um I mean I'm like listen if I

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can get out the thesaurus if you you

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know and we could

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you know let me ask you a different

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question you you you you compose it I'll

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post it okay let me ask you this um you

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um you were on a you were on a podcast

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uh about a month ago and you said

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something that that struck me um and it

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struck me as accurate came out of your

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mouth so uh hopefully it is but it I'm

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hoping we go deep on this just because

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it came out of my mouth does not mean

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it's true but you said you said my you

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said my mind is a

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storm I don't think most people would

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want to be me they may think they want

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to be me but they don't know they don't

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understand what did you mean by that

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what was what your mind being a storm

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and I think it I mean I have known you

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for quite some time I think it is a bit

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of a

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storm yes

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um yeah I mean I in as much as a a

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weather metaphor makes sense

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um my mind is often feels like a like a

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like a very Wild Storm um I mean I have

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I have a fountain of ideas I mean I have

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more ideas than I can possibly execute

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um so I have no shortage of ideas

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Innovation is not the not the problem

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execution is the problem I've got a

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million ideas I mean I've got an entire

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design for an electric suponic vertical

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takeoff jet but I I mean I just if I I

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just can't do that as well I've had that

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for 10 years

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um um I there's a million things is your

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storm a Happy Storm

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no it's not a Happy Storm

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no tell us about that because I I think

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that that actually when people try to

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really understand you I think that

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there's a lot of this comes from some

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other place and I I want to talk about

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that what do you think that

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is