评论: 美报社论:美国已分裂 难治理 意识形态两极化(图)

是啊，不是一党专政的，都是分裂。。。。

还是中国好，什么时候大家意见都一致。

要说哪里有分裂，我认为美国现在有1％富人和中产存在很大分歧（也不能算是分裂）。以前是中产默认了1％富人，富人也很安静。但现在不一样了，中产渐穷而那1％更富有。这次这位罗姆尼就有点儿出来显摆，不输才怪呢。说中国现在贫富差据太大，美国也一样。

I agree with you about the South Africa. I'm against racial discrimination, but I'm also against uneducated and selfish black people become leaders and turn a great country into hell.

It doesn't matter red or blue, it's time to work together and move forward!

无奈渔民 发表评论：布时八年利用政策合法的通过石油涨价把世界财富敛到了他,切尼和几个油亨的腰包.利用大宗商品涨价把美国百姓的腰包榨干.百姓消费能力降低.美国经济从此开始步入衰退.
左派说谎不脸红：布什8年油价在两美元左右；O8四年在四美元左右。O8想把油价涨到10美元左右，让人不能开车，好降低碳排放，回转气候暖化（谎言）。
经济衰退是因为房产泡沫破裂，而这个泡沫是因为民主党总统卡特和克林顿的政策造成的。
大宗商品涨价是因为QE大印钞票，好把债务责任降低，让O8继续乱花中国人的钱和美国人后代的钱。

无奈渔民 发表评论：布时八年利用政策合法的通过石油涨价把世界财富敛到了他,切尼和几个油亨的腰包.利用大宗商品涨价把美国百姓的腰包榨干.百姓消费能力降低.美国经济从此开始步入衰退.
左派说谎不脸红：布什8年油价在两美元左右；O8四年在四美元左右。O8想把油价涨到10美元左右，让人不能开车，好降低碳排放，回转气候暖化（谎言）。
经济衰退是因为房产泡沫破裂，而这个泡沫是因为民主党总统卡特和克林顿的政策造成的。
大宗商品涨价是因为QE大印钞票，好把债务责任降低，让O8继续乱花中国人的钱和美国人后代的钱。

俺的评论呢？

看着大家在这儿斗嘴，比较好玩。

其实无论赢方还是输方，选后心态很重要。赢了的不要忘乎所以，象似小人得志；输了的也别气急败坏，象斗鸡，有失风雅。承认事实，4年后再较量吗。不过呢，政治这玩艺虽然不是与我们无关，但是想玩政治就得有手段，能说会道，心要黑，而且脸皮要够厚，呵呵。

天哪，这里的华人素质可真低。一天到晚就只会骂娘。可怜。
@787DL
"btw, who knows who's the Loser eventually? do you?"

Are you kidding me? is there a Loser/winner eventually? I know that Obama is the winner for this round, it's not a rumor, it's a fact, Romney already accepted lose. What are you talking about?
Geez, Republicans spent billions of dollars on attack ads, and got nothing, they lost president, they also lost in Senate, they lost several seats in the house, now the one that needs to worry is GOP, not Obama, he doesn't care anymore, he can't run for another presidency, he will do whatever he likes, only GOP has to work hard to prove they are not a bunch of useless craps so they won't lose house again. Also, Ron Paul didn't get any chance, why, because GOP is controlled by those social conservatives, which has no future, because younger generations don't share the views of social conservatives, it is not 1912, abortion is a choice, if you don't like it, don't do it, but force everyone to follow their belief, doesn't work anymore. GOP should understand that, and come up with some smart move, middle ground to win our independent votes. Blindly deny climate change is another example of how stupid the GOP had been to. Wake up, do something.

奉劝某些人想一想自己在美国长大的后代有幸读到你们的言论会怎么想.你们这些不加掩饰的歧视、偏见和恶意，会让你们受过教育的子孙替你们觉得耻辱、羞愧。

用你们的思维方式，了解一些中国阴暗面的老外是不是也可以顺理成章地认为华人也是劣等人种？

己所不欲，勿施于人。

奥巴马是黑人吗？那他那一半的白人血统呢？都不算了？
别忘了他是母亲家里长大的。
奥巴马就是奥巴马，别弄混了。

"连受过如此教育的国人，当在如此透明的选举结果不是自己期望时仍表现出不服、愤怒、咒骂及恶言相向，那对于中国占人口比例百分之七、八十受过很少教育的农民，你又能期望什么呢？结果只能有一个：暴动。"
Right on. We Chinese don't respect rules, not even trffic rules (just take a trip to China and you'll see what I'm talking about). Rule says the guy who wins the most votes should be the leader, but, to us this doesn't count if it's not OUR GUY. You don't give a sh*t about the rules, you don't get the democracy. Simple as that.

猜想许多人是因为自己的理念未被认同而不甘心（无论奥巴马还是罗姆尼分别代表了不同人的理念）。而华人的上述表现也常常出现在对待其他问题上，表现为忽视程序，规则，即使在Church，很多时候也是这样，华人在这方面的却需要改进。

to pipilulv, I agree "奥巴马是一个好人.."

I voted for Romney is not due to I dislike O8. I like him, he is fun, funny, good looking, cool, relax and genuine.

I like Michelle Obama’s fashion style as well; she is tall, lean, polite and well-educated.

I like a lot of black people, my favorite movie star: Denzel Washington,my goodness, he is so charming! Basketball: Michael Jordan. Maya Angelou’s poem is very touching and soul searching. List on and on…

But I just don’t believe O8 is the best choice to lead this country.

I wish him the best luck!

实在舍不得花钱的，在家看看FoxNews,Carl Roll在那儿数钱也挺好玩儿的。。。

"医者意也"提到的巴法罗市, 本人有亲生经历. 去年暑假去大瀑布玩儿, 慕名前去品尝正宗老店,原汁原味的著名的Buffalo Chicken Wing. 餐馆坐落在市内, 我靠! 车子就像开进一座死城一样, 一路上走得我毛骨竦然...

奥巴马是一个好人，但未必是一个有能力的leader其实很多黑人都是这样子
做事情喜欢推脱拖拉不负责任
但是罗姆尼就一定更好么？
要不就是小布什实在是太烂，拖累罗姆尼了

Losers: Go, spend some of your money reminding you are still a rich guy! Meet Romney in dancing club, he is said to prepare for "dancing with stars". Watch out, don't bet, he will lose too :-).

"连受过如此教育的国人，当在如此透明的选举结果不是自己期望时仍表现出不服、愤怒、咒骂及恶言相向，那对于中国占人口比例百分之七、八十受过很少教育的农民，你又能期望什么呢？结果只能有一个：暴动。"
Right on. We Chinese don't respect rules, not even trffic rules (just take a trip to China and you'll see what I'm talking about). Rule says the guy who wins the most votes should be the leader, but, to us this doesn't count if it's not OUR GUY. You don't give a sh*t about the rules, you don't get the democracy. Simple as that.

留意到这次许多当选的国会议员是女性后选人打败了男性对手当选的. 不知道一大帮老娘们儿在一块能"议"出个啥? 再加上个奥黑连任, 美国完了!

"...very genuine"
Oh stop it. Grow up people! Billions spent just to trash the other guy and suddenly this, in less than an hour after OH turned to Blue? What's "genuine about it?! If you believe this you've got serious growing up to do! Being a little suspectful may not look so good to some but will always serve the society well - sh*t like CR will never happen when enough members of the society stay alert and smell the phoniness.

Can't discuss any topic for 2 minutes without personal attack.

Shame on you!

MantaRay

My passion is not on US politics. My passion is on disliking Obama, although it is not a good passion but I am forced to have it. I do feel better that Romney only got 48% popular votes - that makes me feel it is fairer than if Romney won the popular votes.

BTW, "suck" is a foul word when you don't know if Eveline is a woman or not.

Yup, duffer thanks for sharing. I like Ron Paul too. Too bad, people who are intelligent and truthful like him don't stand a chance.

To Shameless -

Maybe consider taking up US citizenship if you are so passionate about US politics?

Also going to the voting booth will make you feel better even if your guy lost. At least it did to me when Bush was elected, twice.

Great thing about USA is that each person might not be a genius, but collectively we are making it a pretty good place.

iceage2012

You attacked me last time. So please stop it now.
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go ahead, welcome to the US, that's democracy is all about, every citizen has a right to vote, for the time being, your noises doesn't count, got it?

Shameless,

go ahead, welcome to the US, that's democracy is all about, every citizen has a right to vote, for the time being, your noises doesn't count, got it?

“美国已分裂 难治理…”

已经开始准备下一个借口了吗？

不服不成,O8, 你太历害了.

iceage2012

I don't care what you think either. See you 4 years later when I will vote the one you don't.
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if you are not even US citizens, who cares what you think about US election?

Absolutely agree with DFW-SUN

For those whiners, if you are not even US citizens, who cares what you think about US election? yes, you have a right to make noises, but with a courtesy.
if you are US citizens, just accept the fact in January, the man who will swear under the oath will be OBAMA!

I like one of Newsweek comments " who cares Romney? people either vote for Obama or vote against Obama" But I do like Romney's concession speech, very gracious, very genuine, if he can be as genuine as he was at the concession moment during his campaign, he might have a chance. Regardless, history has already been made on Tuesday.

Thanks duffer for sharing:)

Ron Paul: 精辟, 尖锐, 一针见血.

我们中国也有类似讲法, 但过于直白,“吃人家的嘴短”

MantaRay, why are you attack me for?
I think 787DL is very sharp. What's wrong with that? hahahaha

奥巴马赢的实在不光彩，他和他的团队心知肚明。现在他手下的报纸近乎恳求似的，以国家的名义，呼唤共和党给予合作。他用国家和纳税人的钱，去收买选民，赢的不光彩，心里就发虚，将来动作的时候就会倍感艰难制肘。等着瞧吧，连普通老百姓都看得清楚，那些共和党人不知道恨成什么样呢，祝民主党好运！

两个不是"几个".几个>2. 为什么不能瞎掺活？Anybody wants to restrict freedom of speech?
Anyway, enough with WXC. too much time wasted. so long.

duffer: for God's sake, do not copy and paste long articles here. Do you really think anyone would read it? I simply skipped it. For those interested, a hyperlink will do.

Ron Paul: "Pure Democracy Is Dangerous"... When It's Purchased

From an outright libertarian, the headline seems contrary; but Ron Paul's affirmation that "pure democracy is dangerous" critically confirms what Romney accidentally admitted: that enabling the majority to dictate the minority is a problem when the majority are receiving a [government] check. Bloomberg TV's Betty Liu looks a little shocked when the thoughtful Paul confirms bluntly that the reelection of Obama is driven simply by 'the people' being on the 'receiving end' of government benefits and that the US is "so far gone; we're over the cliff already." From the lack of credibility in Washington to GOP's 'acceptance' of higher taxes and why he quit Congress, Ron Paul succinctly reminds many of the true state of the union in which we live... "As long as you think we have to please the world and run this welfare state, all we will argue about is who will get the loot."

A New Kind of Freedom
Nelson Hultberg


Karl Marx was asked once how he could justify advocating a political system of slavery for the individual, which is what socialism is. He replied that, socialism is not slavery; it is a "new kind of freedom." As all perceptive students of history know, the intellectuals of Europe bought into such Alice in Wonderland sophistry and plunged into the twentieth century nightmare of collectivist tyranny. But unfortunately so did American intellectuals about 30 years later when the Progressives of Woodrow Wilson's era established the Creature from Jekyl Island to usher in centralized government banking and the progressive income tax to "spread the wealth around."

Socialism is not really so bad, reasoned the American intellectual community. If we think about it, it actually is a "new kind of freedom." We just have to do what the Red Queen and the Mad Hatter advocated. We have to change the meaning of the words that define the fundamental values of our lives. After all, there is no objective reality; words can mean whatever we want them to mean. All we have to do is teach Marx's new definition of freedom to the young at an early enough age, and when they grow into adulthood they will not think of a government-dominated society as slavery at all. It will be a "new kind of freedom" to them.

Americans never bought into Lenin's violent revolutionary socialism, but they did buy into the Fabians' democratic evolutionary socialism. Fabian ideas in Britain were readily picked up by the American progressives and liberals of the twentieth century. This redefinition of values has been consuming us now for 100 years ever since the Creature from Jekyl Island and the tax revenuers took over Washington. The progressives and liberals have even redefined their redefinitions. Fascism, being basically the same as socialism, is now acceptable in the mix.

What is horrifying is that Barack Obama's election victory is tied directly to this corruption of values. We have now elected, for a second time, a man who was raised by communists in Hawaii. Obama's mind was forged from the likes of Frank Marshall Davis, a powerful and radical communist apparatchick of the fifties, sixties, and seventies. Davis was Obama's constant companion from the age of 9 to 18 before he went off to Occidental College in Los Angeles. His worldview is thus the Marxian sophistry that socialism is a "new kind of freedom." In the mind of Obama, individuals like Hank Rearden and Dagny Taggart are not entrepreneurial benefactors to their fellow man; they are evil rich people who exploit their fellow man. These evil rich need to be leveled down. And the way to do it is insidiously, governmentally with ever-expanding redistribution of wealth programs and ever-expanding monetary inflation.

One of Ayn Rand's powerful insights in Atlas Shrugged is that dictatorships take over because the people actually approve of them. She called it the "sanction of the victim." This attitude now permeates the American electorate. Nietzsche's "slave mentalities" dominate the throngs of voters that determine what our government is to do. The great majority of Americans are demonstrating that they actually want to be enslaved.

Rand also made the following observation: When asked once why she voted Republican if she thought both parties had sold out to collectivism, she replied that both parties are headed toward the abyss, but Democrats wish to charge toward it and Republicans wish to creep toward it. She, no doubt, felt that we have more time to educate the people as to what is happening with Republicans in power.

Well, America just ran out of time this past election night. A majority of American voters indicated that they believe government owes them a living along with health care, security, and self-esteem. They indicated that they are very comfortable with the Fabian march into socialist-fascism that has been taking place ever since the Creature was instituted in 1913. They indicated that they believe rich people don't earn their wealth; they steal it from the kindly masses by siphoning off the surplus productivity of their labor and reducing them to grinding poverty. (This is the fallacious "labor theory of value" that Marx perpetuated.)

Unfortunately this fallacious reasoning is why so many Americans have become so slothful and are choosing to vote for a living rather than work for a living. It is the reason why so many productive men and women in America are poisoned with guilt and now tolerate the egregious, confiscatory taxes that are destroying the dynamism of our economy and the sanity of our lives. Justice a...  查看完整评论

顶达拉斯老孙！

还在这里嘟嘟囔囔的居然都是外国人？知道美国公民和非公民的区别了吧：在非公民还在这儿当crying baby的时候，美国公民已经move on了。

Let's face, Old US is gone. Now every 4 years, whoever can promise the most free stuff can win.

Look at Roomey, he believes a company like GM should not be bailed out, should be allowed bankruptcy, should let market to take care its self. And he lost Ohio and Michigan.

Now nobody will dare to say truth, only spineless crooks will lead this country.

Left or right are all relative speaking,

From Chairman Mao's view, Obama is way too right.

"洛杉矶时报在社论中说，奥巴马获胜不仅是因对手较弱，也是因为他防止了美国陷入衰退，并说服国会改革健保和金融业，他提出的未来国家道路也更合理。"
Full of left liberal's BS.

Obama ---> Karl Max reborn.

Eveline -

You suck!!!

DFW-SUN: "Yes, you do has the "right" to talk about it but You don't have rights to vote."

-- Mr. Citizen, I really don't have much time to waste. Good night and good luck with your O8!

美国不是意识形态两极化，是极右，和偏右，根本没有左。

787DL,You rock!!!

To 787DL,
Yes, you do has the "right" to talk about it but You don't have rights to vote.
Understand?

DFW-SUN
Don't you know the "you" here is not specifically you?
"I don't use your money and I paid income tax probably higher than your income!"

roliepolieolie 发表评论于 2012-11-08
First of all, Pro-Romney is a better way to describe it. Other than that, I guess you are right, but people need a place to vent their dissatisfaction.
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In the meantime, some pro-GOP Chinese on this forum exhibited weak judgement, and inability to adapt. The train has already left station. You either move along, or will be let behind.

DFW-SUN: "If you are not US citizen, US election is none of your business. You don't have rights to vote."


--- I don't understand what you are talking about. I am still living here, and I think every legal tax payer has the "right" to talk about it. Right, Mr. Citizen?

To Shameless,
"But Obama takes money from me to pay for things you guys use". I don't use your money and I paid income tax probably higher than your income!

搞了半天原来是几个外国人一天到晚的在这议论美国选举啊，中国有句成语叫什么来着？矮子看戏...