And Zimmerman would even call the police minutes before firing, asking the police to come, while admitting to the police afterwards that he was the one who fired. He did not even bother to run away before the police arrived or deny pulling the trigger. Gosh, this Zimmerman must be a brilliant man -- almost as briliant as you.
HCC 发表评论于 2013-08-21 15:37:40
>>>我再說一遍，Z完全可以不卷入打架
I am afraid that was not possible. The evidence showed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, preventing Zimmerman from retreating. And, when Martin reached for Zimmerman's gun, there's enough for Zimmerman to fear for his safety, in my opinion.
另外，Stand Your Ground只在防卫有效，M那是擅自先动手打人，然后占了优势后往死里打。
yaowangshanhaiguan 发表评论于 2013-07-15 14:51:17
"In the United States, stand-your-ground law states that a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first. "
很难说 Martin 不是在 stand-his-ground。
根据911电话录音，Zimmerman 说到 "He's got button on his shirt, late teens." 以及 "I don't know where this kid is." 似乎他已经意识到对方是个未成年人。这种情况下，他持上膛的手枪尾随，是什么意图呢？
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“911: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
911: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
首先，以上对话完全不是“命令”。就算911说“Ok,please go back to your vehicle and wait,"此话也没有一点丝毫的权威性，作为公民你完全没有义务遵守。道理很简单：你在现场，911不在，你比911能够得到的地面信息多得多，所以当然是你行你素而不是911叫你干嘛你就盲目的遵守。”
dashagua2,Martin was neither "innocent" nor a "kid". All the evidence points to him assaulting Zimmerman first and ground-pounding him. And Martin is a 17-year-old football player - he is months away from being legally a grown-ass man.
Get your facts straight.
Also, one of the witnesses they brought was a combat medic, part of whose training was specifically trained to listen for comrade screams so he can identify who they are. That guy testified that the screams were Zimmerman's. Good enough for you?
very depressed. I really do not understand as minority some Chinese cheers for the "legal" killing of a innocent kid. Black people may as a whole give us impression of violence, but this is not the justification of killing a kid.
I also do not understand why the hell there is no some sort acoustic analysis being used for the analysis of the screaming for help right before the gunshot. Technically different people should have different voice frequency spectra even when screaming. The screaming have been claimed by both sides, but to an honest person it more sounded like from a kid, not from a full grown up. logically it does not make any sense to back Zimmerman's claim. He is a liar.
LemanRuss 发表评论于 2013-07-15 10:54:04
911: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
911: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
首先，以上对话完全不是“命令”。就算911说“Ok,please go back to your vehicle and wait,"此话也没有一点丝毫的权威性，作为公民你完全没有义务遵守。道理很简单：你在现场，911不在，你比911能够得到的地面信息多得多，所以当然是你行你素而不是911叫你干嘛你就盲目的遵守。
hehe01 发表评论于 2013-07-15 09:35:42
911没有这样要求他做，事实上根据911接线员在法庭上的证词，是他问了GZ说TM去哪里了，接线员在法庭上证实该问题可以被理解为要求GZ去跟踪。。。
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911: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
911: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
(接上篇）
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance…(expletive)(unclear)
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
从Martin角度看：晚上7点多，从便利店买完东西，回住处（其父及未婚妻的住所）的路上，发现有人驾车跟踪；走近车查看，发现是西裔成年男子，正在打电话并一直盯着自己；当自己往住处跑时，男子很快下车追踪。可以理解Martin感觉自己安全受到威胁，有权Stand his ground。如果Martin怀疑Zimmerman是黑帮分子，那他可能不愿直接回住处。(如果Zimmerman作为所谓的联防员，在车上有明显标记，则是另一回事。）
And Zimmerman would even call the police minutes before firing, asking the police to come, while admitting to the police afterwards that he was the one who fired. He did not even bother to run away before the police arrived or deny pulling the trigger. Gosh, this Zimmerman must be a brilliant man -- almost as briliant as you.