评论: 飓风令美国总统大选胜负的天平开始向奥巴马倾斜

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学下海的土鳖 发表评论于 2012-11-02 04:36:38
刚写了一个这次选举的预测,大家可以去”时事评述“论坛看看。
海鸥飞处 发表评论于 2012-11-01 23:26:18
Top Romney doners:
1 Goldman Sachs $994,139
2 Bank of America $921,839
3 Morgan Stanley $827,255
4 JPMorgan Chase & Co $792,147
5 Credit Suisse Group $618,941

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我很想知道Karl Rove捐给Romney的1,050万美元怎么不在这里面,这表是谁制定的?
海鸥飞处 发表评论于 2012-11-01 23:24:06
Top Romney doners:
1 Goldman Sachs $994,139
2 Bank of America $921,839
3 Morgan Stanley $827,255
4 JPMorgan Chase & Co $792,147
5 Credit Suisse Group $618,941

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我很想知道Karl Rove捐的1,050万美元怎么不在这里面,这表是谁制定的?

初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 21:05:04
也就是那些不怎么富但是又很计较那些税款的”伪富翁“,最希望减税。

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呵呵,原来真富翁都希望加税。 怪不得那么多富翁要捧奥巴马上台了

更原来在土鳖眼里,facebook里跑到新加坡的合伙人Eduardo Saverin也是个伪富翁啊,土鳖可真厉害,简直就属于0.01%嘛
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 20:48:20

印钞票, 打击欧元,减少债务;GM也要赚钱;绿色能源是方向;

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印钞票,通货膨胀,美元贬值!债务一样疯长!

GM为了赚钱可以把75%的工作输出,是正常的应该的,大家都理解接受的? Bain Capital 为了赚钱输出工作就是黄世仁,周扒皮?Bain Capital拯救的快倒闭的公司,目前在美国创造了总共超过10万个工作职位,而且全是自资,没有花纳税人一分钱!GM呢?拿了我们600亿,连续开分厂,创造上万的就业机会,只可惜全都不在美国境内!

绿色能源是方向,可是人民面包都买不起的时候,总统的第一大任不是拯救人,却是搞环保?
roliepolieolie 发表评论于 2012-11-01 20:35:55
如果你不了解美国历史,最好还是看看历史上美国的民主党总统和共和党总统的创造就业成绩就一目了然了。看过后,你还会指望罗姆尼吗?原因非常简单:共和党唯利是图,不然也不会在George Bush当政时把大量的高收入工作转移到印度和中国,把克林顿留下的繁荣的国家给掏空了。同时,美国的贫富差距达到历史最高。

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics. The September 2012 number may be revised.

President Took office Pct. change
Truman 4/12/1945 21.0%
Eisenhower 1/20/1953 7.1%
Kennedy 1/20/1961 6.7%
Johnson 11/22/1963 21.3%
Nixon 1/20/1969 13.2%
Ford 8/9/1974 2.6%
Carter 1/20/1977 12.8%
Reagan 1/20/1981 17.7%
Bush 1/20/1989 2.4%
Clinton 1/20/1993 20.7%
Bush 1/20/2001 0.8%
Obama 1/20/2009 -0.05%
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 20:32:38
土鳖:你那个什么最富的参议员都是民主党的说明不了问题。巴菲特富不?还不是支持OBAMA的?

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所以我说你呢,前言不搭后语的,原来想法和我一样啊,我也说富人支持奥巴马的多不胜数,不是都是穷人,或者出门都找不着北的新移民才支持他。很多暗中受了他好处的富人,百万千万的捐给他,谢谢你的拨乱反正
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 20:27:27
土鳖,怪不得你呢,原来你看的是HUFFINGTONPOST, 那都是些什么人看的,正常人没有看那个的,劝你看看WSJ吧
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 20:25:23
别那么煽情的把美大使的死,归罪到奥巴头上。美国总统是三军总指挥,但在某地的实际战斗指挥,都是靠美国本土的职业军人判断和把握。

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所以三军统帅是自己人死了完全与他无关,但拉登死了就是他一个人的功劳,这统帅都是些啥智商的选的?
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 20:23:06
真奇怪这么多人关心我,还有人跑到我的wxc帐号里看个究竟,实在是辛苦你们了。

有那么多闲功夫好好研究一下若果奥巴马上台,四年后你们往哪里逃难去吧
bluebluesky123 发表评论于 2012-11-01 19:55:40
romney对中国态度太差了,不看好。
在全球面前无数次说中国cheating或者cheater,我觉得很过分很有失风度,这样长远来说会大大影响中国人的形象,让全球认为中国人都是cheater,所以我个人非常讨厌共和党
老姐 发表评论于 2012-11-01 19:49:56
奥巴马赢定了。
老姐 发表评论于 2012-11-01 19:49:25
奥巴马赢定了。
老姐 发表评论于 2012-11-01 19:49:02
奥巴马赢定了。
老姐 发表评论于 2012-11-01 19:48:32
奥巴马赢定了。
老姐 发表评论于 2012-11-01 19:46:48
奥巴马要赢,社会要向前走你们挡都挡不住。
共和党得痛定思痛,四年后卷土重来。选个不乱刮自己耳光的吧。

辛苦跟了老罗一场,不容易啊。
jenner1126 发表评论于 2012-11-01 19:39:12
To 注什么注阿

1.美国总统是三军总指挥,但在某地的实际战斗指挥,都是靠美国本土的职业军人判断和把握。总统只会负责国际事务纠纷等大事件的决断,细节都是专业下属去办。

If what you said is true, then the easiest thing O can do is blaming General Petraeus and whoever are in charge of US army/navy/ air force. Why did he come out and claim that he gave an order to help Benghazi but nobody from military admitted they got an order from the president.Obviously he lied again. The fact is that when O threw everybody under the bus to cover up his ass, nobody wants to cover him up any more.

2. 从FOX上看到关于民主党的消息,多数都和苹果日报一个水准

If what you said it true, then Fox News can not have the most viewers in the US. Most people with adequate intelligence knew the main stream media bias long time ago and turned their eyes and ears to Fox, except for those few at your intelligence level who are still watching CNN,NBC,CBS,,,,AND 苹果日报.

The quote below is from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fox News Channel (FNC), also known as Fox News, is a cable news channel owned by the Fox Entertainment Group, a subsidiary of News Corporation. As of April 2009 the channel was available to 102 million households in the United States and to viewers internationally, broadcasting primarily from its New York studios.

The channel was created by Australian-American media mogul Rupert Murdoch, who hired former NBC executive Roger Ailes as its founding CEO.[1] The channel was launched on October 7, 1996[2] to 17 million cable subscribers. The channel grew during the late 1990s and 2000s to become the dominant cable news network in the United States.

3.From which media source to get the news is not important, the important thing is how to process the news to find out the truth. The truth is the most and only important thing. TRUTH , NOTHING BUT TRUTH!!
学下海的土鳖 发表评论于 2012-11-01 18:50:40
我估计,这初雪是某个外嫁女,嫁了个有钱的老头。由于整天听老头叨咕税太高,整天看FOX NEWS,然后还被老头带到教堂信了洋教,被彻底洗脑了。看看HUFFINGTONPOST吧,有助于智力恢复。

唉,挺有诗意的一名儿,糟蹋了
jenner1126 发表评论于 2012-11-01 18:27:46
Obama is a realist, he is not the religious nut and ideological extremist, like many Republican leaders.
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To cntv;

Obama is not a religious nut and ideological extremist?

Here are some facts about Obama:

1.He is the most radical collectivist Statist ever to serve as a President in US history. His father was a collectivist,and his mother and grandparents as well are Communists. He was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party member.
2. He said in his own book that he hung around with Marxists at Columbia.
3. His 20 years Pastor of his church is Jeremiah Wright, who is anti America.
4. Like Bin Laden, Bill Ayers and his wife were members of The Weather Underground , an American radical terror organization which bombed Pentagon, police station and state department... And they are Obama's life long close friends.
5.He is associated himself with Islamic radicals linked to Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and other Muslim militant leaders. He refused to meet our allies but let Islamic radicals visited White House more than hundreds of times and this is still under investigation.
6. Look what kind of people/countries endorsed him? Russia, Cuba, Venezuela and Muslim brotherhood, Bin laden if he was still alive....


jenner1126 发表评论于 2012-11-01 18:24:00

Obama is a realist, he is not the religious nut and ideological extremist, like many Republican leaders.
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To cntv;

Obama is not a religious nut and ideological extremist?

Here are some facts about Obama:

1.He is the most radical collectivist Statist ever to serve as a President in US history. His father was a collectivist,and his mother and grandparents as well are Communists. He was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party member.
2. He said in his own book that he hung around with Marxists at Columbia.
3. His 20 years Pastor of his church is Jeremiah Wright, who is anti America.
4. Like Bin Laden, Bill Ayers and his wife were members of The Weather Underground , an American radical terror organization which bombed Pentagon, police station and state department... And they are Obama's life long close friends.
5.He is associated himself with Islamic radicals linked to Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and other Muslim militant leaders. He refused to meet our allies but let Islamic radicals visited White House more than hundreds of times and this is still under investigation.
6. Look what kind of people/countries endorsed him? Russia, Cuba, Venezuela and Muslim brotherhood, Bin laden if he was still alive....


初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 17:59:39
不拿希腊说事,拿冰岛来说吗?美国这样举债度日,不超过两年就变成另一个希腊,到时候全美国就真的全部是穷人抱成一团了,因为富人早跑了
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 17:49:37
刚听到一个段子: it's one thing that u think you are Le Bron James, it's another thing when you keep missing and keep loosing points and still think you are Le Bron James!

Really funny! We should call him Obama James! Haha
注什么注阿 发表评论于 2012-11-01 17:40:54
回jenner1126
别那么煽情的把美大使的死,归罪到奥巴头上。美国总统是三军总指挥,但在某地的实际战斗指挥,都是靠美国本土的职业军人判断和把握。总统只会负责国际事务纠纷等大事件的决断,细节都是专业下属去办。
2001年911的时候,双塔被撞,还有一架飞机被劫,正飞往华盛顿,小布什做了什么决断?继续给小朋友讲故事,然后是发呆,美国会,听到被劫飞机乘客的电话,只会发愣和难过。
突发事件,不要说没打过仗的总统,就是职业军人也不一定能准确判断和行动。
从FOX上看到关于民主党的消息,多数都和苹果日报一个水准。
wegman 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:58:42
如果bloomberg选总统,我一定犹豫是支持obama还是bloomberg.但romney,not in my life.
wegman 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:52:08
1232 同意‘无论谁上台,经济政策是大同小异的.’。 问题是obama个人无力改变现状。同样romney无法克服senate的filibuster.但至少obama能为美国的长远着想,避免美国走向bush II again.
wegman 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:45:52
1232,从某种意义上讲,那些国家,除了德国外,基本上可以归纳为‘社会主义’ 国家。那里没什么巨富,都的是普通人,收入和生活水平比美国高。接受福利的人口比例绝对比美国高,只不过国家收了大量的税,换句话说,均贫富。这些国家的共性是,国家地理条件不好,人民抱团,否则个人无法生存。下次说的时候请用人口比例,而不是绝对数字。不过不要用47%。
1232 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:44:40
欧巴就是上台,政府也会重做予算的,不可能再弄出天文数字的债务,

没有那么多钱,大家不去吃苦去想办法,不就等着受穷,没饭吃.

无论谁上台,经济政策是大同小异的.
Post123 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:39:31
请问初雪,美国个人政治捐款的限额是多少?你先搞懂这个,再问索罗斯的100万的问题吧。:))

那个List是说那些机构里的个人捐款的总和。
折翅的隼 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:39:16
罗姆尼还是回家数钱去吧,就别祸害刚刚开始复苏的美国经济了。
Post123 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:38:49
请问初雪,美国个人政治捐款的限额是多少?你先搞懂这个,再问索罗斯的100万的问题吧。:))

那个List是说那些机构里的个人捐款的总和。
wegman 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:34:26
1232你还有更好的理由吗
wegman 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:31:07
mmf,不要断章取义,否则你就是个liar。他说了气候变暖只是一个原因,还有同意obama的一切社会议题,包括obamacare。他认为Romney对所有的议题都摇摆不定。"Bloomberg also criticized Romney for reversing course on other issues like abortion rights, gun control and health care reform. "If the 1994 or 2003 version of Mitt Romney were running for president, I may well have voted for him because, like so many other independents, I have found the past four years to be, in a word, disappointing," he wrote.

The mayor also criticized Mr. Obama for serving more as a partisan populist than a pragmatic centrist in his first term. But he added that there's still hope for Mr. Obama in his second term to work with Republicans. "If he listens to people on both sides of the aisle, and builds the trust of moderates, he can fulfill the hope he inspired four years ago and lead our country toward a better future," he wrote."
1232 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:25:48
人家那些国家都是国家富有,本国人口少.美国国家的钱是有限的,人口到多如牛毛,目前的福利都靠借钱硬撑,哪还能来新的,

再说以美国的制度和多年的传统来看,美国一向是以个人奋斗,自由竟争为治国之本的.

哪里会养一帮低效率的人和机构?
wegman 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:13:51
不要老拿希腊说事,你怎么不提北欧,德国,加拿大,澳大利亚。希腊怎么都是个边缘国家,who care? 美国能撑到今天,是靠美元的世界地位和美军,否则现在美国比希腊更惨。
mmf 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:09:31
******bloomberg***/news/2012-10-23/blame-politics-for-the-u-s-engineer-shortage.html

Republicans deliberately set up the bill to fail -- hoping to score political points and elicit campaign contributions from the technology industry, a Democratic-leaning constituency.

Republicans proposed to offer green cards to STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) students who train at American universities and want to stay here and work, but they didn't want to increase the total number of immigration visas. So they made Democrats an offer they couldn't accept: They proposed to eliminate a visa program Democrats favor, a "diversity visa" which each year admits 55,000 people from countries that do not have large immigrant populations here.

"事实刚好相反:奥巴马的民主党刚投了反对票,阻止给高科技人才发放绿卡,那些公司人手不够,从国外又不能引进人才,怎么办呢?答案就是搬到有人才的中国和印度去,所以奥巴马才是真正的把高科技公司拱手给国外的罪魁祸首!"
mmf 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:06:57
我很想知道投资大鳄索罗斯捐的100万美元怎么不在这里面,这表是谁制定的?
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1232 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:05:23
美国要想不吃苦,不受穷就走出危机是不太可能的,看看欧洲就知道了,等到成了希腊那份上.借钱都不一定借的来.

象现在这样天天靠借钱撑着,破产那一天就快到了.

欧巴的福利也是暂时的,最后要牺牲的肯定是中产和穷人的利益.

美国还是早阵痛早获新生.
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 16:01:28
Top Obama doners:
1 University of California $1,092,906
2 Microsoft Corp $761,343
3 Google Inc $737,055
4 US Government $627,628
5 Harvard University $602,992

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我很想知道投资大鳄索罗斯捐的100万美元怎么不在这里面,这表是谁制定的?
lewinsky 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:51:07
纽约市长刚刚宣布支持欧巴马。
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:45:09
其实对别人的人身攻击只能让人看见他的底气不足,还是多做些调查研究,擦亮眼睛,别被口若悬河的政客蒙蔽才是当务之急。
wegman 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:36:25
很简单,Romney代表富人,obama 代表精英阶级。就像bush 和clinton一样。出身情况也是这样。一句话,谁都无法改变美国的现状。但 obama至少知道底层的疾苦,至少心是好的。至于能不能解决美国的就业问题,只能是心有余而立不足,这需要富人的支持和牺牲。Romney 代表富人,不是说富人听他的,而是他听富人的,服务于富人。简单的数学知识可以告诉你,当资源一定时,分子越小越好。可想而知,Romney不可能让普通老百姓过得更好,否则富人就受苦了。如果Romney 当了总统,你就真的看到Bush III 了,平均工资升高,中位工资下降,最后美国成为China II. 现在的美国和历史上的英国处于一样的情形,收益靠投资而不是实体经济,然后国家成为空壳,最后变成二流国家。好在英国地处社会主义色彩强烈的欧洲,所以资本家不敢造次。希望美国不要成为China II or Mexico II.
cntv 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:35:58

办法 - 发展高科技, 增强国际竞争力

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even now US CEO complained that they still need 4 millions hi-tech workers but they couldn’t find in America, so Romney will continue outsourcing these jobs to China or India…

---你是说“美国人才不够,所以罗姆尼会大量输出高科技工作机会去中国和印度”是吗?事实刚好相反:奥巴马的民主党刚投了反对票,阻止给高科技人才发放绿卡,那些公司人手不够,从国外又不能引进人才,怎么办呢?答案就是搬到有人才的中国和印度去,所以奥巴马才是真正的把高科技公司拱手给国外的罪魁祸首!

初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:34:42
just read a news from liberal CNN:

At Romney storm event, some donations supplied by campaign

用自己的钱来帮助需要帮助的人,而不是慷国家之慨
cntv 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:25:03
“奥巴马要真为穷人,就应该给他们创造好的工作机会,使他们步入中产阶级”

关键是如何创造工作机会, 如果劳动者不合格,没有竞争力,谁会雇佣他们?
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:20:36
好,那我就问初雪同志两个问题:
1. 你的受教育程度如何
2. 你是否信教

我有朋友在德国。他们说如果美国的选举放到德国,只有不到10%的德国人会选共和党。因为共和党的理念根本不是现代社会的。
如果你受教育程度不高,跟了共和党,有情可原
如果你信教,跟了共和党,有情可原

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I'm amazed! 所以你是想说我的教育程度和宗教信仰决定了你说的话真实与否?什么逻辑?

其实想问你一句,你对奥巴马的方针计划了解多少?有没有10%
mmf 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:20:15
Top Obama doners:
1 University of California $1,092,906
2 Microsoft Corp $761,343
3 Google Inc $737,055
4 US Government $627,628
5 Harvard University $602,992

Top Romney doners:
1 Goldman Sachs $994,139
2 Bank of America $921,839
3 Morgan Stanley $827,255
4 JPMorgan Chase & Co $792,147
5 Credit Suisse Group $618,941


cntv 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:18:35
3. Triple the current number of Americans on food stamps –

It is not true, instead of the hi-tech investment in US, Romney will continue offshore outsourcing the hi-tech corp. and will bring the hi-tech workers to food stamps.

--我们现在讲的是大家都可以google的真实food stamps数据,你说的却是什么“will”,说得好听就是用的将来式, 说得不好听就是毫无事实根据的信口雌黄

---没明白?

4. Increase our national debt to 20+ trillion dollars on giveaway programs –

Do you think Obama’s public education investment is a giveaway program!

--你在转移话题,20+ trillion dollars on giveaway programs是有事实依据的。每月400亿无止境印出来的钞票送进大银行投资家的腰包,50亿给关门大吉的能源公司,600亿送给GM,得到的结果是人家马上在海外建立两个分厂,75%工作外包,,,你倒说说这些不是肉包子打狗的giveaway 是什么?
--- 印钞票, 打击欧元,减少债务;GM也要赚钱;绿色能源是方向;

5. Bankrupt Medicare to fully fund Obamacare –

Obamacare is only solution, for more than 50 years, the double cost with 18% uninsured have already justified that the private healthcare insurance corp. work only for their profit and the governmental intervention is absolutely necessary.

-- Obamacare 已经让很多中小企业,私立学校开始准备辞退职员和老师,甚至关门了。这个违法强行通过的法例带来的社会经济危害不比飓风逊色。你们就等着看吧

-- the double cost with 18% uninsured对吗,18% 不是人吗?

6. Repeal our Second Amendment Rights to keep and bear arms –

Now it is 21st century and the still so many bloody gun slaughters, Second Amendment is outdated.

-- Benghazi的警卫员就不用配枪,换来的是什么大家都看得见!
----????!!



7. Invest taxpayer dollars into green energy programs that continue to go bankrupt –

Only big oil corp. hate the green energy programs and any normal person will say that is the right thing to do for US and world.

--你再一次地转移话题。这里说的是在失业率高居不下,半数人连饭都快吃不起的情况下,奥巴马把人民几十亿的血汗钱拿去送给能源公司要清洁空气?

---清洁能源公司要, 环保.

8. Meet with Putin to discuss "More flexability." –

Obama is a realist, he is not the religious nut and ideological extremist, like many Republican leaders.

--你终于实事求是了,奥巴马绝对是个现实的人,他做的这一套和中国数千万的人民公仆实在是异曲同工,这种台面底下的秘密功夫,是个中国人都明白是怎么回事

初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:13:12
"奥巴马的政治献金80%是富人和既得利益集团捐的,他本人也是千万富翁,他为穷人?"

高反了, ROMNEY, goole 一下吧!


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奥巴马筹的政治献金比罗姆尼的高,还创了历史记录这个不可否认吧,你认为那一亿多美金是你和周围的穷人出得起的吗?
初雪 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:10:07
奥巴马要真为穷人,就应该给他们创造好的工作机会,使他们步入中产阶级,提高生活质量,而不是一辈子拿救济!

他要真为穷人,他就不会大量制造穷人,每月40万新增的拿救济人口,以前都有足够收入的!!现在由于奥巴马太爱穷人(的选票)了,所以把他们也变成穷人!!这些可怜的穷人,若选奥巴马,那才真是被他卖了,还替他数(选)票!
cntv 发表评论于 2012-11-01 15:10:00
"奥巴马的政治献金80%是富人和既得利益集团捐的,他本人也是千万富翁,他为穷人?"

高反了, ROMNEY, goole 一下吧!
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