评论: 北京溺亡车主最后通话:向妻子求救称打不开车门(图)

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chinomango 发表评论于 2012-07-23 21:46:35
可怜可惜。后椅枕垫按下塑料纽拔出了,那两个金属脚就可以用。(harbor)也有专用短把的锤子。
fkkn 发表评论于 2012-07-23 20:55:38
前日19时34分警方接到报警后,救援人员紧急到场,因积水面积过大、水位太深,到场后他们一直在侦查情况。

22时20分许,消防员将绳索绑在越野车上....
逐月箜 发表评论于 2012-07-23 14:33:02
当时那种情况,没有工具,没有救人经验的谁会下水?谁会不要命去救人?谁能要求别人不要自己的命去救人?
还闪亮的北京精神,你要的是闪亮的圣人精神。
优闲丽人 发表评论于 2012-07-23 14:25:21
俺就是要和老子的车共存亡!
优闲丽人 发表评论于 2012-07-23 14:24:22
俺就是和老子的车共存亡1
wmw69 发表评论于 2012-07-23 12:05:52
拳头是很难砸开车窗的,但是可以用脚呀?再不用车枕,从座位上抽出来后有两条铁棒。估计是开始时开不了门却舍不得砸车。等水上来了黑暗中慌了神。 唉,真不应该发生!是蠢死的。
偶尔评论一下 发表评论于 2012-07-23 11:16:20
看了报道和评论,小结一下:

殉难者主要还是没有经验。是的,电控车门,一但失去电力,开门会成为问题,主要是被锁住了。有的电控门可以用手把窗边的锁纽提上来,有的则很难。遇到文中这种情况,有以下方法:

1、一旦车陷在水里,在失去电力之前,立即将车门去锁,并放下侧窗。这点很重要!事实表明,即便车开到河里,在水盖过车之前,可有足够的时间放下车窗。一旦放下了车窗,车门打不打得开都无所谓了。

2、退一万步讲,车门无法打开,车都淹到水里了(一般来说,里外压力平衡了,照理可以打开车门,但车门被锁了。即便没锁,也有打不开的,这不是压力的问题了),用脚直接对着车窗踹,是很难踹破玻璃的。最好是在水快淹没车窗时,用脚猛踹侧窗靠后的角落处,比较容易踹破。踹侧窗中间是很难踹开的,这已经是实践证明了的。
最后的恐龙 发表评论于 2012-07-23 10:33:44
不想冒犯死者。不过下次可以用腿磴烂车窗的玻璃,前提是:莫慌!有谁知道:汽车的安全气囊可否在非碰撞下打开?
烙印龙 发表评论于 2012-07-23 10:07:23
而且挡风玻璃都是钢化玻璃, 只要裂开一点点, 马上就可以扩大到整个车窗, 然后会自动碎成颗粒状, 不会割手。 以前我的车,后车身玻璃给小石头撞了个洞, 没开十几米就整块粉碎掉了。。。。。
烙印龙 发表评论于 2012-07-23 10:02:12
国内的车怎么也有一把防盗的方向盘锁吧。。。。这么大个铁头砸到玻璃上能不碎。。。。又不是钢板。。。。
starkid 发表评论于 2012-07-23 09:58:25
我猜车主心疼车,不想砸车;估计没想到情况那么严重。。。其实就是个宝马,也该砸砸。
starkid 发表评论于 2012-07-23 09:56:32
微波上说,驾驶座后面的靠枕拆下来,用两个金属的脚可以打碎玻璃,还说设计就是这样的。
烙印龙 发表评论于 2012-07-23 09:15:58
实在不懂, 这么大个男人, 就是车窗打不开, 可以用脚蹬啊。 我就不行那玻璃经得起这样用力蹬, 前车玻璃其实只是用胶水粘的。 何况是个男人都力气啊。 不懂。
gene2007 发表评论于 2012-07-23 07:38:32
车在人在.
da-piggest-stud 发表评论于 2012-07-23 07:27:11
I can believe I would see so many idiotic comments. Yeah right try to push a ton of water out of the way, and hold your breath at the same time... remember next time you go to swimming, bring a surfing board (much smaller than a car door), dive in and try to push it under the water and see how many inches you can get. - U would be lucky if u are not getting pushed back! We really don't know much about water, and it's no coincidence that we chinese is never a nation w/ rich tradition of sailing.
The only chance for this guy would be: when he saw water rising so quickly, get windows open fully as quickly as possible, beating the water before it gets to the battery and shut everything down, and then get the hell out from the window and get to the roof, and then...... wave for help!!!
my condolences to his family.
天上之蛙 发表评论于 2012-07-23 06:57:32
这哥还有时间给老婆打电话???
飘萍千里 发表评论于 2012-07-23 06:53:55
想不明白这哥们,完全有时间逃生的
调酒师 发表评论于 2012-07-23 03:08:48
舍不得砸车窗玻璃还是不会游泳?
irvinelee 发表评论于 2012-07-23 02:01:53
可能是电子故障导致车门锁死了。

水压也好,电器故障也好,死者肯定有不少逃生机会,可惜全部错过了。

这辆车的车门必须要仔细调查是否设计有缺陷。
irvinelee 发表评论于 2012-07-23 02:01:52
可能是电子故障导致车门锁死了。

水压也好,电器故障也好,死者肯定有不少逃生机会,可惜全部错过了。

这辆车的车门必须要仔细调查是否设计有缺陷。
him65 发表评论于 2012-07-23 00:38:18
这水是慢慢地涨。这哥们就硬生生在车里等死? 太不可思议了。,車死火了,人該走啰...
yuentin 发表评论于 2012-07-23 00:14:20
看苗頭不對,就應弃車:水到車門边沿,仍在漲,車死火,走不了,人該走啰...
yuentin 发表评论于 2012-07-23 00:11:30
禍起粹然,心存僥倖.時矣,命矣,可嘆!
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-23 00:04:33
还有安全带上的金属扣,都是能利用的砸玻璃的工具。
好运连连 发表评论于 2012-07-22 23:57:33
"汽车掉下水不会立即下沉,可把握下沉前的一分半钟从车门或车窗及时逃生。即使汽车沉下水底,也有办法逃生,因为车厢注水可能需半小时。确定的时间视车窗是否打开、车身是否密封及水深程度而定。汽车下沉越深,水压越大,注水也就越快。

  ①一旦落水,不能惊慌失措,双手抓紧扶手或椅背,让身体后仰,紧贴着靠背,随着车体翻滚。避免汽车在翻滚入水之前,车内人员被撞击昏迷,以致入水后,无法自救而死亡。

  ②坠落过程中,应紧闭嘴唇,咬紧牙齿,以防咬伤舌头。

  汽车是有一定闭水性能的,汽车入水后,不要急于打开车窗和车门,而应该关闭车门和所有车窗,阻止水涌进。

  如有时间,开亮前灯和车厢照明灯,既能看清四周,也便利救援人员搜索。

  争取时间关上车窗和通风管道,以保留车厢内的空气。

  ③逐渐下沉中,车身孔隙不断进水,到内外压力相等时,车厢内水位才不再上升。这段时间要保持镇定,耐心等待。内外压力不等时,欲强行打开车门反而会方寸大乱,减少逃生机会。

  ④当水位不再上升时,做一个深呼吸,然后打开车门或车窗跳出。外衣需要先脱下,假如车门打不开,可用修车工具或在手上缠上衣服后打碎车窗玻璃。

  ⑤假如车里不止一人,应手牵着手一起出来,要确定没有留下任何人。"
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-22 23:46:04
我说车主是笨死的,类似例子还有不少,比如多年前电影学院的同学去野外郊游,留下一位同学用酒精炉烧开水,水烧到一半时他见炉子里的酒精快烧完了,便提起酒精桶直接往酒精炉里加酒精,结果一大桶酒精全着了,同学们远远望去,之见一个“火人”从山上轱辘了下来……
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-22 23:37:00
当车主给妻子打电话说“外面水压很大,车门打不开”时,其实车门是他自己锁上的。后来当救援人员把车子从水中拖出来时从外面同样打不开车门,车主从里面把门锁住了。
nnww 发表评论于 2012-07-22 23:23:07
万绿丛中说的对。不过这哥们刚开始为什么不走。舍不得车吧。
soccer 发表评论于 2012-07-22 23:17:33
Brace yourself for impact. As soon as you're aware that you're going off the road and into a body of water, adopt a brace position. This is done by placing both hands on the steering wheel in the "ten and two" positions. The impact your car makes could set off the airbag system in your vehicle and any other brace position could cause serious injury in such an event. Remember, an airbag inflates rapidly, within 0.04 seconds upon being triggered.[3] Once this aspect is out of the way, prepare for the next step immediately.

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Remain calm. Panic reduces energy, uses up precious air, and causes you to blank out. Repeat a mantra of what to do to get out (see next step) and stay focused on the situation at hand. Panic can be left for the shore when you reach it.

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Undo your seat belt. Professor Dr Gordon Giesbrecht, who specializes in cold water immersion, says that the seatbelt is the first thing to attend to, yet it often gets forgotten in the panic.[4] [5] His motto is: Seat belt; children; window; OUT (S-C-W-O).

Unbuckle the children, starting with the oldest first (who can then help the others).[6]
Forget the cell phone call. Your car isn't going to wait for you to make the call and sadly, people have lost their lives trying this.[7] Get busy getting out.
There is a counter-theory that suggests the seat belt should be left on. This theory suggests that if you release your seat belt, you may, due to underwater disorientation, end up moving away from the window or door opening due to the ingress of water through the opening. If you need to push the door open, being anchored by the seat belt might give you additional leverage, versus pushing the door while you're suspended in the water.[8] Having your seat belt on could also help you maintain your sense of orientation if the car flips upside-down. On the downside, having your seat belt on can also make it harder to get out quickly and to move out, which is the point of reacting quickly from the start and not waiting in the vehicle. In the video featuring Rick Mercer and Professor Gisbrecht below, they show clearly that it's important to be able to move around from the start, including if you need to move to the backseat to get out of the car as the engine-heavy front part starts tipping deeper first.[9]

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Open the window as soon as you hit the water. Following Professor Giesler's recommendation, leave the door alone at this stage and concentrate on the window. A car's electrical system should work for up to three minutes in water[10] (not that you have three minutes of course), so try the method of opening it electronically first. Many people don't think about the window as an escape option either because of panic, lack of using the window for exit normally, or because they're focused on lots of misinformation about doors and sinking.[11]

There are several reasons for not bothering with the door according to Professor Giesler. Immediately upon impact, you have only a few seconds in which opening the door of your sinking car is possible, while most of the door is still above water level. Once the car has started to sink, it is not humanly possible to open the door again until the pressure between the inside and the outside of the car has been equalized (leveled); this means that the car cabin has to be filled with water and that's not really a state you want to be in.[12][13] Moreover, Professor Giesler says that by opening the door, you invite a quick sink in place of the floating time available to get out. In his experiments with 30 vehicles, he found that all vehicles float, anywhere between 30 seconds to 2 minutes.[14] You could be using this float time to escape rather than opening the driver's side door and giving the water 5 to 10 seconds to sink the car and drown everyone in the backseat.[15]
There are numerous theories that advocate staying in the car calmly until it hits the bottom, fills with water, and you open the door and swim up. Mythbusters termed this the "maximum conservation of energy" approach and it looks viable when you watch it. The trouble with this theory (tested only in a swimming pool of known depth with a rescue crew on full standby) is that most times you won't know the depth of the water into which your car has plummeted, so waiting this long will usually prove fatal. This method worked just over 30 percent of the time in Professor Giesbrecht's study, while his S-C-W-O approach worked over 50 percent of the time.[16]
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罗马军团 发表评论于 2012-07-22 23:11:49
我觉得他刚开始是不愿意放弃车,后来水淹上来熄火了以后是被吓得六神无主了。否则,水是慢慢没过车的,并不是大家想象的那种一下子冲到河里,水压太大打不开车的情况,他有足够的时间逃生,就算是电子锁失效他不知道怎么弄开,打碎窗玻璃的时间也还是有的。
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-22 23:04:17
北京同时有五十多处水深陷车等待救援,消防肯定顾不过来。
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-22 22:56:18
把车上的靠枕拿下来就可砸破玻璃逃生;把车钥匙拔下来拥手把钥匙贴在玻璃边角位置,然后脱下皮鞋抡起皮鞋用鞋后跟猛砸车钥匙也能击破玻璃。
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-22 22:52:25
这就是人生的优胜劣汰,那车主不是淹死的而是“笨死的”,像这种智商的人居然也能考取驾照在马路上开车,奉劝诸位远离马路,远离方向盘,如此可求得一生平安。
大陆一P民 发表评论于 2012-07-22 22:45:14
死者DZJ,我的一个绕弯的朋友,所有经过我都知道了,他的妻子也比较熟悉,当时就在边上,哭着求救,可是没有人施救;这段视频因为不符合当下的闪光的北京精神,已经被删掉。还有一个3岁的女儿,希望长大后能不再走这段吃人的二环路
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-22 22:44:28
补充一点,车主的那车是电控门锁,比他陷水更深的其他车主都安全脱身了。
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-22 22:41:23
这就是人生的优胜劣汰,那车主不是淹死的而是“笨死的”,呵呵。
LEIMONG 发表评论于 2012-07-22 22:38:50
据据目击者称,开始时水刚淹没轮胎,车虽熄火了但车灯还是亮着的,雨刷器还在工作,此时车主打开门锁推门出来是没问题的,可是车主当时慌了手脚,电话里只顾得告诉妻子说车门打不开,却忘了车门是锁着的,怎么打得开?!等想起开启门锁时已经过了十几分钟,水已经淹到了电瓶,这回是真的没电了,灯也灭了,雨刷器也停了。
万绿丛中 发表评论于 2012-07-22 22:30:17
看过美国教灾害时逃生的教育片,其中就说到当车坠入水中该如何逃生。

错误之一就是费尽力气想开门逃生。因为刚开始车里没水,车厢外全部是水,因此这时车外压力非常大,凭人的力气根本推不开门。

自救办法是用硬物打碎玻璃,让水流进车内,把头伸向车顶吸取存留此处的空气。当水几乎完全灌满车厢的刹那,内外压力平衡了,潜入水中,迅速打开车门,游出车外逃生。
鲁迅的朋友 发表评论于 2012-07-22 21:49:18
凭常人的判断 无法理解一个男子汉困在车里淹死 从水位上升到淹没 总会有时间的 怎么不早开门 即使水位上升 车内也会同样上升 到达一定水位 内外压差就小了 可以开门 一个车一般四个门 一个也开不开 天绝也
garyece 发表评论于 2012-07-22 21:45:55
2006年时美国达拉斯一位刚来的上海女学生也是在市中心下大雨时被淹死。
jokeusa 发表评论于 2012-07-22 21:45:23
不用再讨论了。让TZMAN在这儿一个人慢慢的淹死吧! 他的智商奇迹斑的高。
Bluebluesky123 发表评论于 2012-07-22 21:39:37
"然后车里就没氧气了。缺氧,昏迷..."

你开玩笑吧。。车里的氧气还不够你用半小时?反正我觉得是够用的

TZMAN 发表评论于 2012-07-22 21:36:07
奇迹,真是奇迹。凭一般人的智商还真琢磨不明白。
jokeusa 发表评论于 2012-07-22 21:24:27
“但一名围观的大爷说,当时水中的车里,确实有人在敲车窗求救。”

这故事编的。。。
发表评论于 2012-07-22 21:05:09
应该是水的压力太大,用手动也开不了门了。

这时唯一的办法是打碎车玻璃,但慌张时可能没这么做,然后车里就没氧气了。缺氧,昏迷,水慢慢进入车里,淹死。

人的死法怎么都可能,还有用购物袋自杀的,把自己憋死。
Bluebluesky123 发表评论于 2012-07-22 21:04:28
我不明白为什么就他的车门开不了
不会是太弱了踢不开门吧?
正常来说应该是用尽所有方法踢破玻璃,从窗户钻出去然后浮到水面。
如果会游泳游到岸边,不会的话站在车顶。
jokeusa 发表评论于 2012-07-22 20:49:58
这种在大街上被水淹死的情况不需要应急方案。死者要么是想自杀,要么是喝的太高了。
jokeusa 发表评论于 2012-07-22 20:39:32
所有车的门都是有手动开门的功能的。电动门窗一概失灵,也能用手开。你要是不知道,回家赶紧试试! 关键的时候能救你的命。
bluebluesky123 发表评论于 2012-07-22 20:35:11
也真是。。。就不能猛踢玻璃,踢不破吗?那车里是不是随时准备把锤子比较好?
另外,都那么多人看到有人在里面,还没有人救。。真是死得让人寒心。
就没人会游泳吗?
要我是他妻子肯定当即拿把铁锤游下去敲破车窗。。不会水的话拿卷绳子高价求别人救援
一个大活人就这么死了真是可惜。
catcherintherye 发表评论于 2012-07-22 20:34:43
俺猜早的时候舍不得开车门怕水进来毁了车。 等到水漫过半个车,电池就短路了,电动门窗一概失灵。 这时候开门极其困难, 但应该说还是可以踹开些让水进来。 再说等到车里水漫一半了压力差不该那么大了。 觉得一时慌了手脚不知道该怎么办吧。从里用脚踹窗玻璃怎么也是该踹得破的。 再后来就是缺氧窒息了。
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