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Airi 发表评论于 2013-06-30 19:00:57
该不该进口转基因大豆是一回事,在网上散布谎言又是另一回事。请某些根本不懂遗传学,转基因技术,甚至基本生物学的人闭嘴好吗?!评论真是看得人抓狂啊!有些莫名其妙的“科学证据”简直跟说地球是方的一样啊!贻笑大方啊!你们懂个屁的水平转移啊!
扬弃与本土化 发表评论于 2013-06-30 17:58:30

自然界中原来的基因组合是经过了也许不止在地球上的检验,那才叫做合理的。我的意思是我们以为的发明创造,都是在自我毁灭之中又加了一把劲。
@91108 发表评论于 2013-06-30 13:14:49
使原本在国际市场上比转基因大豆价格高出一倍的天然大豆,在国内其价格居然还不如进口的转基因大豆. 文章前面又说乌克兰的非转基因天然大豆比转基因太豆还便宜,为什么政府不买便宜的天然大豆而买贵的转基因大豆。乌克兰的天然大豆不在国际市场上卖吗?没搞懂
mmf 发表评论于 2013-06-30 12:43:46
雖然各国都批准了IntactaRR2Pro,好像还没人种,没人吃,中国是唯一的市场。
mmf 发表评论于 2013-06-30 12:17:06
北京时间6月11日晚间消息 据路透社报道,巴西农业部周一称中国已批准包括孟山都Intacta RR2 品种在内的三种转基因大豆的进口。这不仅让陷于焦急的巴西大豆商松一口气,也让孟山都(NYSE:MON)股价当日大涨4.53%。
SureUcan 发表评论于 2013-06-30 11:58:31

4. Brazil also has approved Intacta RR2 for use. Brazil could be the world's top soybean producer next year (US was then).

SureUcan 发表评论于 2013-06-30 11:45:13
******agriculture***/news/business/brazil-soy-group-warns-farmers-against_5-ar26172

The grains producers' association in Brazil's top soybean-growing state, Mato Grosso, warned farmers this week not to plant a new variety of transgenic soy it says Monsanto Co. (MON) has been distributing.
The soybean variety, Intacta RR2 Pro, hasn't been approved in China, where more than two-thirds of Brazil's exports of the oilseed are shipped. Mato Grosso state soybean and corn producers' association Aprosoja said in a statement Monday that farmers using Intacta RR2 seeds could accidentally contaminate shipments of approved soybean varieties, putting exports to China at risk of being refused.
Monsanto responded Tuesday, saying the company hasn't allowed commercial sales of Intacta RR2 in Brazil and won't do so until all of the country's main export markets approve it. A stockpile of 600,000 sacks of the seeds, which Monsanto had produced based on the belief that China could approve Intacta RR2 "at any time," will be destroyed, the firm added.
Aprosoja said Monsanto had been handing out samples of the new seeds to farmers in Mato Grosso and required them to sign a waiver accepting responsibility for any contamination that occurred.
"It's like they're testing it, but with no controls," an Aprosoja official said.
Last year, Monsanto invited 500 Brazilian farmers in 10 states to plant Intacta RR2 alongside fields sown with the company's Roundup Ready soy, an herbicide-resistant variety that is commonly used in Brazil. The fields were closely monitored, and the soybeans produced using Intacta RR2 were subsequently destroyed.
Monsanto said it plans to carry out another round of demonstrations this year.
Intacta RR2 soybean seeds use so-called "stacked" genes that make the plants resistant to insects as well as herbicides.
Transgenic seeds will account for 88% of Brazil's 2013 soybean crop, according to a recent estimate by local grains consultancy Celeres. Most of the transgenic soy currently planted in Brazil resists only herbicides.
Brazil, the U.S. and the European Union, among other countries, already have approved Intacta RR2 for use. But the enormous importance of China to Brazil's soybean-exporting industry--and the ease with which contamination can occur while soybeans are being stored or transported--means Brazilian farmers should refrain from trying the new strain, Aprosoja said.
"All Brazilian producers still have bitter memories of the enormous crisis in prices caused by Chinese refusal of various Brazilian soy shipments in 2004," the association said.
Brazil next year likely will harvest a record soybean crop that could push it ahead of the U.S. as the world's top soybean producer, analysts say. Farmers will begin planting as early as September.
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sureucan 发表评论于 2013-06-30 11:43:08
2012年9月4日《华尔街时报》道琼斯新闻、福克斯商业新闻《巴西大豆协会警告农民不要种植孟山都新种子》(《Brazil soy group warns farmers against using new Monsanto seed》

I feel that this posts does not understand the news. I'm posting the original news below. Read and judge by yourself.

The main points I got from this news:
1. Don't grow this seeds (Intacta RR2) until China has approved it. Since if you grow it now, you may not be able to export your soybean to China.
2. US, European countries have approved this new seeds. China could approve it any time soon.
3. In Brazil, transgenic seeds account for 88% of Brazil's 2013 soybean crop. No matter they grow this new seeds or not, what exported to China are mostly transgenic soybean already.

Sorry my computer can't input Chinese right now. Here is the original:


The grains producers' association in Brazil's top soybean-growing state, Mato Grosso, warned farmers this week not to plant a new variety of transgenic soy it says Monsanto Co. (MON) has been distributing.

The soybean variety, Intacta RR2 Pro, hasn't been approved in China, where more than two-thirds of Brazil's exports of the oilseed are shipped. Mato Grosso state soybean and corn producers' association Aprosoja said in a statement Monday that farmers using Intacta RR2 seeds could accidentally contaminate shipments of approved soybean varieties, putting exports to China at risk of being refused.

Monsanto responded Tuesday, saying the company hasn't allowed commercial sales of Intacta RR2 in Brazil and won't do so until all of the country's main export markets approve it. A stockpile of 600,000 sacks of the seeds, which Monsanto had produced based on the belief that China could approve Intacta RR2 "at any time," will be destroyed, the firm added.

Aprosoja said Monsanto had been handing out samples of the new seeds to farmers in Mato Grosso and required them to sign a waiver accepting responsibility for any contamination that occurred.

"It's like they're testing it, but with no controls," an Aprosoja official said.
Last year, Monsanto invited 500 Brazilian farmers in 10 states to plant Intacta RR2 alongside fields sown with the company's Roundup Ready soy, an herbicide-resistant variety that is commonly used in Brazil. The fields were closely monitored, and the soybeans produced using Intacta RR2 were subsequently destroyed.

Monsanto said it plans to carry out another round of demonstrations this year.
Intacta RR2 soybean seeds use so-called "stacked" genes that make the plants resistant to insects as well as herbicides.

Transgenic seeds will account for 88% of Brazil's 2013 soybean crop, according to a recent estimate by local grains consultancy Celeres. Most of the transgenic soy currently planted in Brazil resists only herbicides.

Brazil, the U.S. and the European Union, among other countries, already have approved Intacta RR2 for use. But the enormous importance of China to Brazil's soybean-exporting industry--and the ease with which contamination can occur while soybeans are being stored or transported--means Brazilian farmers should refrain from trying the new strain, Aprosoja said.

"All Brazilian producers still have bitter memories of the enormous crisis in prices caused by Chinese refusal of various Brazilian soy shipments in 2004," the association said.

Brazil next year likely will harvest a record soybean crop that could push it ahead of the U.S. as the world's top soybean producer, analysts say. Farmers will begin planting as early as September.

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September 04, 2012 14:55 ET (18:55 GMT)
mmf 发表评论于 2013-06-30 11:42:32
百度百科有基因水平转移一項:
抗药性病原菌的大量出现,许多药物,特别是抗生素已经不能抑制或杀死原来敏感的病原菌,这已不仅仅是基因突变可解释的,可能与抗药性基因的水平转移有关。已发现基因的转移不仅仅是发生在细菌之间,而且也发生在细菌与高等生物之间,甚至是高等生物之间
mmf 发表评论于 2013-06-30 10:53:54
Thierry Vrain 說,细菌常会發生水平基因轉移的現象。研究已经証实,当我们食用轉基因玉米或大豆后,轉基因会出现在身內腸道细菌𥚃。
石屹 发表评论于 2013-06-30 10:08:24
让农业部的所谓的研究员、责任官员本人及其家人天天吃、顿顿吃
这些转基因食品,让他们全部死光光!恶有恶报!
石屹 发表评论于 2013-06-30 10:04:23
呜呼,吾辈命不久矣!
pussygato 发表评论于 2013-06-30 10:00:34
回 MMF, 江浙一带胃癌高发,是因为当地好吃腌制食品缘故。 在有转基因农产品前,已经高发。与转基因食品无关。
石屹 发表评论于 2013-06-30 09:57:12
熟话说“多行不义必自毙,姑且待之。”
是不是他们行的不义还不够多?还要等待老天爷的惩罚?
中国人没救了!
唐铁嘴 发表评论于 2013-06-30 09:44:19
人类对转基因技术目前只处于探索阶段,只知道把此种生物的基因分离出来转入或导入另一种生物的基因组中.至于转基因工程对环境的影响,对物种本身的遗传和变异的长期作用,认识非常有限.应该限制在科研领域.就像核子裂变技术,人们可用来造原子弹,发电,但不知道怎样处理核污染.只是一知半解.把一知半解的知识运用的结果会把人类害死的.谁都不要在转基因技术上冒充自己全都懂,吓唬人.
helele 发表评论于 2013-06-30 09:41:26
这篇文章应该在国内各大新闻媒体发表。人民有知情权。
石屹 发表评论于 2013-06-30 09:36:52
今年5月25日是全球反孟山都日,52个国家436城200多万民众一起走上街头抗议孟山都,示威者的标语牌赫然写道“在孟山都终止人类前人类必须终止孟山都!”孟山都已被全人类视为公敌。
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在共产党终止中国人之前中国人必须终止共产党
石屹 发表评论于 2013-06-30 09:27:09
农业部的责任官员不杀不足以平民愤!
杀无赦!!!!杀杀杀!!!!!!!!!!!
mmf 发表评论于 2013-06-30 08:54:29
王小語介紹,河南、河北、甘肅、青海、上海、江蘇、廣東、福建等地,基本都是我國轉基因大豆油的消費集中區域,這些區域同時也是我國腫瘤發病集中區。黑龍江、遼寧、浙江、山東、湖南、湖北、貴州等地基本都不以消費轉基因大豆油為主,不是腫瘤發病集中區域。

「山東、江蘇兩省相鄰,是國內加工轉基因大豆最多的,但江蘇胃癌高發,山東不是。值得注意的是,山東居民以食用花生油為主。」王小語說,「同樣,湖南、湖北、浙江、貴州這些地方,人們主要吃菜籽油,腫瘤也不高發。」

大豆油不是簡單的脂肪,其對人體的發育有重要作用。「尤其是裡面的成分維生素E,又稱生育酚,對人體最重要的作用就是生殖,如此重要的人體必需營養物質,若來自於轉基因產品,很肯恩有極大的健康威脅。」王小語說。

「我們協會的結論就是,食用轉基因大豆油的消費者更容易患腫瘤、不孕不育病。所以,轉基因大豆油不宜在沒有獲得安全定論前用於商業消費。」王小語說。今年4月,他將這個報告交至黑龍江省農委,希望引起重視,但至今沒收到回復。
在纽约的北京人 发表评论于 2013-06-30 08:34:04
回wnr,
现在的问题是农业部官员受贿,该当何罪!?
何时种,让谁吃是下一个问题。
我是一元党 发表评论于 2013-06-30 08:27:17
石棉是1级致癌物,家庭燃烧煤也是一级致癌物,这都是世卫认定的。我就不知道我哪里说错了。在当年,你如果不愿意用石棉,保温性就不好,必定要用更多家庭燃烧煤。很明显的逻辑,却被别人说成五毛。
wnr 发表评论于 2013-06-30 08:13:15
我靠,拿上帝说是来了?真如你所说,人类就是怪胎,你就不是怪兽?你说的出口,世界大了,什么鸟都有,为了自己的观点,不惜诬蔑自己。

bjbbsky 发表评论于 2013-06-30 05:01:37
圣经说直接导致上帝发大洪水毁灭地球生物的直接原因是天使和人类交配产生了巨人,然后地上就满了罪恶。和合本翻译成上古英武有名的人,很美好吗?其实就是怪胎,上帝都不能容忍存在的物种。那如果地上到处都是这种怪胎,不管是动物还是植物,那这个世界上帝会很喜欢吗?难道这就是圣经上预言的末日怪兽?
在纽约的北京人 发表评论于 2013-06-30 08:10:04
祸国殃民,亡国灭种,断子绝孙。
wnr 发表评论于 2013-06-30 08:07:00
这些“左”棍,真的左吗?爱中国吗?我看不见锝。南美,北美才是这种技术的利用者和消费者。中国被迫无奈进口大豆等。但没有种植啊。
笔名注册不上 发表评论于 2013-06-30 07:01:54
这种部委在北京,工资很低,package很高,怎么来的,都知道,全都是卖国贼,出了无数起了
从发改委到小部委,只是没人去查而已
唐铁嘴 发表评论于 2013-06-30 05:45:18
转基因在人体达到一定的程度,人就不能自然繁殖.到那时,人类只能靠"造人工厂"来维系延续.要生什么样的孩子,得去工厂定做.
mmf 发表评论于 2013-06-30 05:31:13
以印度為例。1999年孟山都收購了印度最大的種子公司,兩年後,政府核准了「保鈴棉(Bollgard)」的銷售。這種基因改造的棉花被植入BT基因,可以自己製造殺蟲劑對抗棉鈴蟲。孟山都宣稱可以減少70%的農藥使用、增加30%的產量,但事實上並非如此。2006年,保鈴棉受到絲核菌的侵害,讓許多農夫損失慘重,這是一種在傳統棉花不曾出現的疾病。只是這時候農夫已經沒有「非BT棉花」可以選擇了。「BT棉」的種子比傳統的種子貴四倍,再加上購買農藥和肥料,農夫必須借高利貸才能夠開始種植,而一旦收成不好,就會導致破產。而許多無法背負債務的農夫就會自殺。在印度,種植棉花的區域的自殺率遠高於其他的區域。
bjbbsky 发表评论于 2013-06-30 05:01:37
圣经说直接导致上帝发大洪水毁灭地球生物的直接原因是天使和人类交配产生了巨人,然后地上就满了罪恶。和合本翻译成上古英武有名的人,很美好吗?其实就是怪胎,上帝都不能容忍存在的物种。那如果地上到处都是这种怪胎,不管是动物还是植物,那这个世界上帝会很喜欢吗?难道这就是圣经上预言的末日怪兽?
beepee 发表评论于 2013-06-30 04:56:49
现任重庆市委书记,当时任农业部长的表哥孙政才收了孟山都大量贿赂,去美国访问,探访在康奈尔大学上学的儿子。王歧山要好好查查孙政才。
bjbbsky 发表评论于 2013-06-30 04:56:35
看到一个生物学专家这样的比喻就明白了。“我不反对和不同人种的人结婚,会生出漂亮的混血儿(相同物种间)。但是我绝不会考虑和一根胡萝卜去交配产生后代,那只能产生怪胎(转基因技术会使这种荒唐的事变成现实)。这是杂交技术和转基因的区别。电影上经常会有怪诞超级野兽怪物的科幻片,那就是转基因的最可怕的类比。为啥骡子没有生育能力?是因为那是不同物种马和驴的后代,马和驴已经是非常接近的物种了。把除草剂的基因放到粮食里,粮食就有除草剂的部分性质了,我们就相当于在吃毒药。更可怕的是这种组合基因不稳定,他们会自己变异,变异是无法控制的和不可避免的,他们会自动传染传统物种,到最后人类想吃食物?没有了,全是怪胎。把转基因技术用于动物,请各位想像一下人和蟑螂的后代会是啥怪胎?会对任何人有益吗?转基因技术是毁灭生物和动物的技术一点都不夸张,生物和动物毁了地球也就毁了。圣经说直接导致上帝发大洪水毁灭地球生物的直接原因是天使和人类交配产生了巨人,然后地上满了罪恶。和合本翻译成上古英武有名的人很美好吧?其实就是怪胎。
百家争鸣2012 发表评论于 2013-06-30 03:52:42
只要有强大的质疑声音,很多东西就不得不增加透明度,有利于规范政府的运作。
aol 发表评论于 2013-06-30 03:35:44
我们这里的绿色和平组织发来的报告表明,现在各个超市里转基因的食品约为20%。
laoqingxin 发表评论于 2013-06-30 03:33:26
想必我是一元党的父母就是这些玩意的忠实用户,然后有了我是一元裆这么个有人生没人养的产物,遗毒人间。
不上税 发表评论于 2013-06-30 01:32:04
俺在一个电视节目里看到,美国的玉米全部都是转基因品种,原来当地的玉米种子会在种子库里保留一些。 玉米淀粉被广泛地应用在各种食品中,难道这里的高发疾病跟吃这个有关系? 俺是真的不懂,希望网友里头有明白人给个说法。
不上税 发表评论于 2013-06-30 01:24:23
生物的基因本来就不是一成不变的,俺不懂吃下去转基因食品的问题在哪里? 那些个说不能吃人的有啥证据呢? 还是仅仅是说不知道是否有害?
wjsun 发表评论于 2013-06-30 01:23:34
最要命的是,转基因污染是不可逆的,等你发觉有问题时,危害已经造成,并将不断扩大,而且没有改正的机会!
haoleokla 发表评论于 2013-06-30 01:21:08
这是万劫不复的罪, 该死100次的罪!
novtim2 发表评论于 2013-06-30 00:23:51
许多东西我们现在不知道它的毒性并不是说它没用毒性。在人类发展历史上有过许多许多这样的例子,比如原来人们用水银为人治病,后来才知道所有它是重金属对神经很有害, 但是当初根本没有元素周期表,根本没有金属/非金属/重金属的概念,人类的认知就在那个水平。但现在看来是多么滑稽。
你会说,那是过去,现在我们知道的多了,但是,现在我们对修改基因的后果很不了解,100年后我们会非常后悔我们现在做得愚蠢行为。
再举个例子,就在1970年左右,美国洗手液中大量使用乙二醇,当初没有任何证据说它有任何不当,后来发现有大量婴儿的残疾,调查发现他们的妈妈都要使用同样洗手液;还有大家都知道的石棉,原来大家都认为石棉是非常便宜隔热的理想材料,家家都有石棉,后来才知道石棉居然是直接导致肺癌的罪魁祸首,美国1980年后才修订标准,不再使用石棉做家里的隔热材料。现在还经常看到电视上律师免费帮助打石棉的官司,因为成功的几率几乎是100%。
许多东西,你不知道有毒性,不代表它没有毒性。
一个小小乙二醇害了多少人的一生,同样甲醇,甲醛的危害。 而我们现在修改基因--- 最好远离改基因食品,我们不知道他的毒性--
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